EVE General Discussion

Gotcha. Your claim is simply anecdotal, or pulled from your nether region.

While all this rinse-repeat (as you say) is going on, the DST is a valid and vulnerable target. The claim that "most don't use them [containers]" is also just another claim made without supporting evidence. This is no different than miners who don't tank or go AFK, they made a conscious choice for better or worse.

Starts off OK because the road to hell is paved with good intentions, generally tinkering with economics creates unforeseen consequences. Dominion was applied because people had the logistics nightmare of looking after POS's however the system before Dominion created some epic wars which were far better than what came afterwards.

Barge changes, as normal completely misses the change to destroyer DPS which created the imbalance, typical Jenn, but in the end people now can chose tank over yield and there are still enough people around to gank going for yield. The balance is about right, only people moaning are gankers wanting to be able to easily gank every miner.

Freighter low slots, I noticed a few people pushing that, made no difference to me at all at that point, they would still gank them, it was pretty evident to me. The gankers started ganking empty freighters when hyperdunking made them so rich it was silly.

So when we talk about the consequences I have suggested I am pretty sure taht with Citadels they can get around them, just more skin in the game. The entire approach is to make it less of a cake walk for them and I have pointed out the areas that need adjustement, for me taht would pretty much sort it in my opinion, apart from the odd tweak afterwards.

But Jenn of course misses it completely, just loves to say things like WTF and state the bleeding obvious missing key facts.

Some claim mining and hauling is boring, which is why they do it AFK; and then they scream like stuck pigs when somebody comes along and makes it less boring

Some would disagree, making it harder for others to enliven or interfere in their gameplay is CCPs responsibility, not theirs (this is sarcasm for the hard of reading)

Unfortunately putting the genie back into the bottle is going to be nigh on impossible, the bottle is already full of the tears caused by the increase in blanket wardecs.

i dare say i know a couple of people who would gleefully rip those apart if they knew they wouldn't be replaced before the next downtime

Faceroll is a WoWism that came from when Hunters were so OP a player actually remapped his entire keyboard to a macro that set the 'perfect' shooting rotation on a Boss target and he [literally rolled his face across the keyboard the whole fight and took top DPS doing it. I'm not sure if the video is the original version of the term or a demonstration of it.

I don't know if anything in EVE that is 'faceroll' worthy. AFK mining is a reality but it's not the same thing as faceroll combat. The closest I can think of is the 'F1 monkey' term. I can't relate to that term because I'm busy as heck in a fight so it's far more than F1-F6 for me, it's a lot of clicking, tracking changes, etc. I'm probably inefficient but the flow works for me right now.

Look guys, please don't let this devolve further than it has.

Miners and haulers have valid play styles. CCP could do a lot more to make it more fun and entertaining for them. This would involve a change to the nature of mining and make it more active, like having asteroids that slowly reduce yield the closer it gets to 'zero' so you'd always be scanning and moving to the juiciest target. Same goes with hauling. You could have hauling drones, which would be nothing more than sensor drones with jump capabilities. You jump one ahead of you and keep one trailing behind you. This way you don't need an alt to clear the way, or make combat ones with AI so they could auto engage gankers bumping you without triggering Concord on you, but maybe they still show up and wipe out the drone. This way Concord has been effectively 'summoned' to wherever you are for the cost of a drone. Concord could charge the hauler a fee for 'disturbing the peace' and if the hauler does it a second time, they take a portion of the haul as a penalty eventually emptying the loot pinata making it less gank worthy but at least the hauler doesn't lose the ship. Even the gankers could change the nature of their play and say "Hey, we have you cold. Give us half your haul and we'll escort you the rest of the way to make sure you get there safe." The hauler loses some but not all, and keeps the ship. The gankers only get half if the ship is torched anyway, so it's about as close to a win-win as there is in EVE PvP. The point is there are a ton of ways to make the game more interesting all the way around without hurting any particular play style.

If you are going to push for changes in EVE, make sure they have little to no impact on other play styles. No style is superior to another one.

Yes, and that's perfectly fine and one of many things that could happen for protection. The miners (and admitted rare haulers) that come and pitch a fit here about how dangerous HiSec is are the ones that need to relax and start hiring your services.

I have removed the offending content, and those quoting it.

I have also removed a few off topic remarks.

That would clash with his need to expose his ego and how knowledgable he is.

You really just prove my point.
If you weren't so easily baitable and predictable, you would have chuckled and skipped it...

You and Jenn have a lot in common. :)