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CCP on Course for a Record Year !!

Author
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#21 - 2016-08-12 16:06:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
This is an example of a bias fueled by preference. I know because I used to do it to when talking about other forums like scrapheap vs here (because I preferred here). It's normal to defend the thing you use vs the thing you don't (which is why we can be very smug EVE players about that crappy game called WoW that incidentally has way more players lol). But as I've taken a step back it's easier for me to see why Reddit is superior to the EVE forums, which is why it's no mystery why DEVs would communicate there and in other places like twitter instead of here. These forums are literally MySpace, the world (including the DEVS and excluding the dinosaurs of General Discussion) has moved on to Facebook, erm, I mean Reddit.

Where the DEVs post has nothing to do with the health of the game, in fact it's probably a good sign. In the past the developers didn't say much at ALL in public where people could see them, making CCP very opaque and mysterious. Now CCP is way more open and unlike in years past you can actually interact with a developer or other ccp employee....on Reddit and Twitter.


I disagree almost entirely.

You would have me dissing Reddit because I don't post there. I post there, but I also realize your opinion is hostage to whatever the forum fan boys want to see and read. You could have a thoughtful, insightful post that is germane and very beneficial that is down rated to oblivion because it's not snarky/nasty/funny enough to the local crowd. If that's your thing then so be it but it's not mine. If Reddit dumped the down vote feature having an impact on readability and had appropriate language filters, it would have far more relevance. It's one of the few forum styles that actually allow for this lowest common human denominator to run rampant. Even Facebook and Twitter police their stuff, maybe too much. There are forums in Reddit that are strongly patrolled by the locals, and people that post in ways counter to those rules get down voted to oblivion, however, even if I agree with their ethical stance, I disagree with the ability to drown someone out just because you don't like what they have to say. So, post on Reddit at your own risk. Here the rules are clear and pretty fairly policed.

As for it being able to foretell the future, I'm basing that opinion solely off of the idea that people's attitudes actually affect their product. There are many business studies that have shown this causality link. While it's tenuous, it does exist. As long as the primary driver of the product stays in a good mindset, the product will likely continue to do well. However, if those primary drivers end up in a negative one, the product will likely suffer. I don't mind people disagreeing with this stance, I'm just clarifying it.

Jenn, I'd also flip your observation back on you. Your preference seems to be that those of us that like forums with rules and are maintained are 'dinosaurs', while you're young and 'cool' if you've moved on to Facebook and Reddit. Well, I have both Facebook pages and Reddit accounts. I hang out in the computer areas of Reddit and dive into a few other areas. I'm not a rookie in either. There are things I think are utter failures about both those worlds, and just because they are newer than forums like this, doesn't make them better. Yes, forums like this have flaws. They don't allow pictures and images here. I am on two other similar forums that do. That doesn't make this forum for dinosaurs, it makes it smaller and easier to manage for CCP.

CCP keeps their 'corporate' image here. Their staff post individually over on Reddit, Twitter and Facebook, which is fine. That should tell you something right there. If CCP agreed with you Jenn, then they'd kill off these forums and post all their stuff to Facebook and Reddit. That would do away with the ISD and a lot of overhead. Instead they keep it going.

The point is, their individual posts on Reddit or Facebook or Twitter should NEVER supersede the need to officially keep the player base informed via their official forums. If anything that is official in nature is posted to Reddit, it should be on a Dev Blog over here in their official presence. Unofficial stuff can be posted there without being echoed here. I do read r/eve if I'm in the mood to handle it.

As for Twitter... It's my opinion that it a place where a bunch of people who think the number of followers of their opinions (hmmm, strangely similar to likes here... but not exactly the same) makes their opinion more important. Again, anything official posted over on Twitter needs to be echoed here.

BTW, as I said before, I don't agree with the assumption that the lower count of DEV blogs is due to posting in other social media forms, I'm just saying that if it is true, then there's a problem for the game because the DEV's should follow their company line and post here with official stuff. That's not a good thing when employees run counter to the company line.
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