EVE General Discussion

Invalid.

This works only for games that are equal.
EVE works on completely different base mechanics than the crap you seem to be playing ...
... which is tailored to the masses to enjoy.

And we all know the masses. They're horrible.

You might not have noticed that I have not called anyone a sociopath, I find the fixation on tears a bit weird, I also find when people dehumanise others also a bit interesting too and at the end of it all I can say is that a reaction in local after a kill might make me laugh if they go on a a real rant, but I certainly don't get off on it. Can you imagine how many Russians have told me that they ****** my mother, they are upset in the heat of the moment, its nothing...

I saw quite a few of these forms and they were all setup to wind up the person after the event, I found reading one or two a bit amusing, but I came across people who would religiously send one to every gank victim which seemed a bit obsessive to me. It is like minerbumping.com, some of the stories I found amusing because I had people blow up at me, but after a short while reading some of the stories it seemed like the people at that site were trying too hard. But that is just my opinion.

Doesn't work if you don't hand it out to everyone.

They get the form which says blah blah this is an anti-bot operation if you are not a bot please fill out this form yadda yadda. They fill it out, go through the automated process that takes a day or two and by the time they realise its a fake its been a few days and the anger is gone 99% of the time.

No death threats for us and they get the vent at something. Win win.

That's why we said it.

Rather than "Sociopath" or "Psychopath" I think the correct term for all of these people, sadly enough, is: Human

Regular, ordinary, Humans.

I mean (just as 1 example of many) there is a reason that executions (particularly the really gruesome ones) used to be held as big, celebratory, public events. And why large segments of the assembled mobs would join in throwing rocks/etc at the victim if allowed to do so. Sadly enough, that is just Human Nature.

That is why we have complex societal rules/expectations/laws, as well as assorted layers of people/mechanisms to enforce them. Take all of that away, and Humans will be Humans. In a sandbox video game, for example...



"Psychopath" and "Sociopath" are (different and distinct) mental conditions which prevent the person from fitting into society and following the societal rules/expectations/laws, because they are incapable of understanding them or seeing how/why they should apply to themselves.

As with most conditions, there are varying degrees of Psychopathy and Sociopathy - and many (most?) people who have these conditions still manage to get by or even succeed in their societies. However they can be dangerous/frightening because *if* they decide to harm others for some reason or do something else society frowns upon, they feel reduced (or none at all again depending on degree of the condition) societal pressure to not do it.



Back into the context of EVE again now: There is no fixed "society" in the game to impose rules/expectations on people - so they are perfectly capable of letting their Human Nature take over without any societal rules/expectations/laws to stop them, or even slow them down.

And as players tend to form groups and make their own societies within the game...the society they choose to join *inside the game* may in fact set rules/expectations that encourage harming other players, or even harvesting their tears. Ironically the healthier and less psychopathic/sociopathic they are the *more likely* they are to feel and respond to these subtle societal pressures, and thus the *more likely* they are to fastidiously farm tears and cause grief whenever possible. A Psychopath wouldn't get the point and wouldn't care what his chosen society thought, and a Sociopath wouldn't have joined the society in the first place...

As soon as these players leave the video game world, however, their Real Life Societal rules/expectations/laws kick in again, and they go back to being ordinary citizens of wherever they happen to live.

If you honestly think we are going to find the solutions to EVE's problems in this thread, at this point...then I have another Psychological word for you: "Delusional"

A lack of understanding of why someone would wish to post a comment directly related to the current discussion, and instead stubbornly insisting that the only allowable topic of discussion should be the one that *you* want to discuss, could ironically be an indicator that you yourself have some "Psychopathic" tendencies...


Either that or you cling so tightly to the societal expectation of keeping discussion limited to the original topic that you are angrily trying to enforce it...70 pages too late...


Honestly I don't care to get to know you well enough to find out which one it is.

This sounds like a good point...

No it doesn't need to 'find a balance'. That's the mistaken thinking many a game maker and other business person has made.

Trying to achieve some kind of balance everyone finds enjoyable is as impossible an idea as establishing a feminist strip club is. Products need focus, and they also need principles to adhere to. If a Vegan restaurant starts seeing a decline in customers, the solution is not to start selling Steak...it's "make better tofu burgers".