EVE General Discussion

Hostility exists in two different venues.
Within the game it does happen occasionally. There are specialist groups that focus on bringing pvp to you whether you like it or not.... despite popular opinion they are not ubiquitous.
The gankers are not hiding under everyone's bunks... except mine, I think there might be one or two hiding down there. My pr0n keeps disappearing.
The war dec corps tend to focus on what they see running down the main pipes anymore.
Generally, if you are paying attention you are pretty safe.
Most deaths are due to inattentiveness or bad decision making.

Then there's the forums.
Periodically there's some poor forlorn soul who found out the hard way that high sec isn't actually 100% safe.
Outrage ensues.
Pants are firmly placed on heads.
Clamoring for change ensues.
Pitchforks are sold in mass quantities.

This has been going on for years. For a long time those of us on the other side of the fence spoke words of reason and advice. We genuinely tried, and many still do, to help our fuzzy butthurt brethren to understand the true nature of what went wrong, and how to keep it from happening again. Some learned. Most just kept screaming.
Time after time CCP made changes to make life easier and safer for the little fuzzy bastards, presumably to either make more money, or just because they too were tiring of the annoying screaming noises.

This was repeated, over and over. And over.
They are insatiable, there's no such thing as enough safety, and with each change made to make life easier the response was only 'MOAR!' And a renewed wave of outrage is spawned over the next 'bad thing that happened to me because I was dumb' ensues.

We're patient people. We like helping the confused and the new to get a better idea of the world they are dealing with. We also have limits to our patience. Eventually we get to the point where it's impossible to respond in a diplomatic fashion to whine threads like this one.
What the OP is complaining about is beyond silly, as one of the primary tools for making the war effective was removed this year.
It killed my livelihood.
I'm on my way out, as are others because of this, so hearing someone scream that wars need to be nerfed further does in fact provoke a very hostile reaction from folks like myself.
It's not toxic, it's an anger based off of entitled little shitwads ruining our game by inches over the years with the power of the vocal minority.

*mic drop*

I have a character that is in an NPC corp since 2009. What, is that seven years now?

Really, just stay in NPC corp forever. The corp mechanics are broken and the player base is too sociopathic to accept change.

NPC corp forever.

That issue is pretty easily resolved by using an NPC alt to move your goods.
It can get kind of awkward when buying ships though, because they have to be able to fly that thing you want.
Aside from that though, yeah. Despite constantly living under wardec for two years straight i never had an issue with getting or moving goods or even just taking care of business.

Fear can't be patched though, and that's the root issue that most have. The idea that they are under the gun is far more scary than actually being hunted.

The interesting part is that the toxic people mostly are not the ones who force PvP on people. The toxic people most of the time are the no PvP at all type of players and people who advocate nerfing opportunities to create explosions even further.

Here one recent example of a very active poster who keeps pushing to make life harder for the people who just play the game within it´s ruleset.



That is what I would call toxic. If you don´t want to respond to something that is all fine and well, but there is no need to insult people like that. And on top of that you are suprised that the kind of people that are insulted in such a manner do not take you seriously or are not willing to have a real discussion where maybe at some point one could come up with a solution where all sides are winning.

Especially here on the forums most of the time it is the people who were on the recieving end who start throwing around insults, not the other way around. So why do people even react suprised, when the only answer they get is: HTFU?

Ask yourself the following question: If someone starts a conversation with you and calls you a sociopath or psychoparth right from the start without even knowing anything about you: Would you be interested in a serious and civil discussion with a person like that yourself?

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Years ago I was actively suicide ganking myself, I never was one of those code guys, I only ganked targets that made me at least 1 billion profit. I never was one to point fingers at people for being silly enough to fly around in a t1 hauler with billions of stuff in their cargo. I never aproached them or tried to rub it in, but I was contacted regularly by my victims who did not even understand what was going on and then decided that insulting me or making threats (they never followed up on) was a good way to behave.

Here an example of a very brief conversation I had with one of my victims after I killed him with 2b+ in his cargo.

Victim > ok i just want to know why
Me > money?
Victim > money for what
Me> loot
Victim > lol thats why
Victim > damn dude your dumb as hell
Victim > all i lost i cna get back in a week but you take a chance lose sec standings and for nothing
Victim > lol well have fun dumb ass

After that I just left the conversation. If he would not have just tried to insult me I probably might even have explained to him that I make billions of ISk that way thx to having al alt ready to scoop the loot. But why would I bother to explain that to someone who is that toxic?

Here another example of mails I recieved from a victim:

"You are on my hit list now. Ganna hunt you down."
" I got IMU corp after ya - good hunting"
"idiot - i don't care if your dumb or not just watch your back from now on"

I did not even say a single word to him, yet he chose to throw around insults and making threats. Sidenote: He never came after me and the corp that was supposed to be after me never showed up either.

The only time I ever saw people from the attacker side acting like that was only in response to conversations or mails like that. Sure, just because someone insults you it does not mean that you have to insult them back. The right thing to do would be to just turn around and leave instead of pouring more full into the fire. But still if you approach someone in such a hostile way, you should expect not to get a friendly reply as well. That is just the way most human beings are.

With examples like the above in mind it always makes me chuckle, when people blame the gankers and wardeccers for all the fecies that people fling around.

I don´t want to say that there are not any gankers and other PvPers who like to do it as well. But blaming it all on the PvP crowd, at least from my own experience is completly missing the mark.

That is so funny, because when I tell the toxic trolls where to go I am toxic

I have not laughed so hard for ages, thanks guys, really loved it, great example of toxic forum posting, lovely stuff

That is because you are a self congratulatory windbag who throws in insults at people you disagree with then go off on long winded off topic explanations about how super you are and then tell people to leave the game.

The most amusing one for me was you telling people that you did not get your bling fitted Macherial ganked by CODE, because you were skilled or something...

And the best part of you blocking me is that you no longer report me when I call you an idiot..., though that used to crack me up all the time.

When we used to gank miners we set up a complaints form and I wish we had kept them around somewhere because the bitterness and hate would have made even the dark side step back.

And just why did you set up a complaints form, to rub it in that you had blown them up so you could get to them personally and make yourself feel superior. There you go...

Thanks for that, yeah I have this mental impression of baltec1 with glasses on the end of his nose, peering at a mass of dusty papers from when can flipping ended

Deflection.

Give them a form and they bug the corp members less, worked wonders as they bitched at an automated response rather than threaten to kill the families of our members and **** our pets.