EVE General Discussion

Utter nonsense (although given the poster and his history, it's not surprising to see that kind of post).

The "majority" of EVE players aren't anything but average gamers, most of whom can't even fly their ships well, most of whom prefer to shoot at npcs rather than people, and very many of whom don't even interact with other players. In other words, the average EVE player isn't that far off from the average MMO player. People who carry intense biases always think the group of people they don't like is larger than it is. Congrats, you just displayed your prejudices.

I use the word prejudice intentionally, as this thread is really just an example of people blaming people they don't like (gankers, wardeccers, null sec alliance members, whatever) for something that they couldn't possibly be responsible for. In fact, the most probable truth is the opposite of what people in this thread thinks, ie if the game is in decline, it isn't because it's not friendly enough, it's because it's TOO friendly and accommodating of the wrong kinds of people like casuals and solo players.

If the kinds of people I mentioned were somehow responsible for some kind of decline of the EVE population, how would any of you explain away the fact that the game GREW at a rate superior to most mmos when those 'bad people' had more freedom and fewer restrictions? When I started playing, War Decs were super cheap and easy, gankers got insurance payments for ganking, and scammers and thieves made international news.

I'd hazard to suggest that the game was way more interesting then. I know it was for me, when playing EVE was a test of will rather than an exercise in making sure your safety is green before entering empire space....

No he didn't

Before you go off on your high horse, I played a game called the Hunting, a PBM game, a certain person who also played this game went on a shooting spree in Hungerford in the UK. This game involved killing people in imaginative ways, I played it for about 5 months. I had the dubious pleasure of being visited by Her Majesty's police because I also went pistol shooting as a hobby at the time.

Seriously...

so·ci·o·path


/ˈsōsēōˌpaTH/


noun

noun: sociopath; plural noun: sociopaths

a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behaviour and a lack of conscience.

I didn't say sociopaths and psychopaths don't play - I just said they are the exception rather than the rule, and you can't identify them by their play-style. You actually provided a good example of this - because *you* played the same game as the mentally unstable player who went on a shooting spree, but presumably you are not proclaiming yourself to be a psychopath/sociopath. In fact you were a victim of this sort of broad profiling based on how you played the game - as you were visited by the police based on them using it...



I am *not* saying that none of the gankers/wardeccers/PvP players in EVE are sociopaths/psychopaths. I'm just saying that it is ridiculous to label them as such based on their gameplay. In my experience, non-combat players are just as likely to be psychopaths/sociopaths - if not more so as these play-styles tend to appeal to those who do not wish to socialize.


For example:
One of my lower-sp alts is in a small corp which fluctuates from 2-5 members and declares intermittent wars in a specific region of space for assorted random reasons....And this corp has become blue to most of the miners who live permanently in the area.

These miners have the unique opportunity to enjoy their lack of being attacked by us, as well as our sporadic defense of them when they do get attacked - as well as drastically reduced CODE. presence because my corp has a tendency to have nothing better to do than insta-pop criminal catalysts/pods moving through our territory while waiting for legitimate targets.

However, not a single one of these miners is content to just enjoy their situation - they all constantly bombard myself and my corp mates with requests to gank, grief, and generally torture any/all new miners who wander into the area. And if one acquiesces to their demands? They want us to keep going. They are more bloodthirsty/savage than I will ever be - they merely lack the skills/courage to train weapons and perform the acts themselves.

Actually no, he is likely suggesting that people who have a fixation on tear gathering may have issues, which is something slightly different to just playing a game and having fun at blowing others up. Perhaps he thinks that those people who get more of a kick from other players reactions are developing worrying attitudes. But to simplistically say it is every player in Eve is not what he said.

I think CCP choices didn't help at all ... They did bad choices these last years.

Dust514 : A ps3 game where it's a fps in a pc world game => Don't know how they think about that.

No real connection in the games they created. It would be awesome to put Dust514 in Eve online. We all said that when they released the game. Same for Valkyries, put real fighters pilotes in the carriers for Eve online would be really funny and smart.

I know that it's more complicated that releasing separate games, but let's see how Dust514 finished. They better had to take 2 more years to include this in eve online than releasing this game in ps3 and closing it after 2-3 years .

I have the feeling that they don't finish what they really want to do.

They destroyed some dreams too. We all had the dream that we can't have all the skills in the game. We had to think of what we wanted to do etc... Then they put skill injectors, and the dream was broken because we have now few rich players who have 100% of the skills in this game (Quite stupid, but it's a fact). It's seems to be a little point, but all is about dreaming.

In other hands, some game mechanics or changes are strange. Like the " weapon accuracy " which was not needed at all (useless/regression). They could do something else with this feature time.

We can find other things like the cloaking campers, nerf of BS and Carriers, Destro t3 OverPowered, etc.... Which make some players leaving because they can't play or are disgusted. On the forum, some problems are told since years, and they do the opposite of what the greatest majority wants.

Modifications didn't go in the good direction and took some random roads in walls

So what I could say is to focus on a real game planning with some logical behind.

To encourage CCP, I would say that citadels are a really good feature for exemple.

One could say that the players who seem to be fixated on producing tears have issues of their own.

It's funny how no one seems to understand what a sociopath is ...
... and how bullies aren't necessarily sociopaths at all ...
... and how any self respecting sociopath would feel offended by this.

Some gankers are bullies. Yes. They seek out tears, yes. That doesn't make them sociopaths.

Many carebears out themselves as psychopaths, though. They, according to their insults, are incapable of dealing with someone who ***** into their flakes. Who shows them are are not in control or power. Who shows them tbat their imaginary achievements are worth nothing when only done against npcs. Who shows the, that they are not the center of the game's universe.

A psychopath is someone who lacks bad conscience. He doesn't know it at all. Removed. The whole logic and thought process is thus different. He doesn't care about how you do and live when he interacts with you. He would kill you if he had a way to do it simply for blowing him up.

I bet 99% here use the word sociopath without having any idea what it means or how they behave. And i bet an added 0.9% don't know the difference between a socio- and a psychopath.


Get some life and a sense of reality.
If the majority of gankers were actual sociopaths, highsec would be locked down permanently.

Yes Beta. Because I saw that we have the same population than 8 years ago ... It's a bit dangerous.