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Solomon

South of Heaven Ltd

Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive

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#1 - 2016-08-11 14:30:14 UTC

Hi all,

I am thinking of buying a Mac, and while I may continue to treat my Windows box as my primary EVE rig, I wanted to learn a bit more about running EVE on the Mac too.

My first question is about Cider vs. WINE. I gather that most folks have migrated to WINE - what makes it better? What sort of framerates are you getting with what settings? Are you able to handle large PvP fleets?

My second question is about WINE vs. Bootcamp. What are the pro's and con's of each?

Thank you!

U7evel

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#2 - 2016-08-12 08:25:00 UTC | Edited by: U7evel

To be honest...if you want to play EVE on a MAC, get Bootcamp running and play EVE in Win.

If you buy a Mac, what is not a bad decission by the way, look for max Ram and a good Graphic Card in the machine.

Everything else is not different to windows for the game.

Large flieds are handeled well by my machine, if you turn of the sound, that works for me.

But i have prob´s since the last wine update with a smooth performance of the hole game.

Hope that helps to find a decission on what plattform you will play.

fly safe


Solomon South of Heaven Ltd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive Likes received: 4	#3 - 2016-08-15 22:08:20 UTC That's interesting, because turning sound off really helps performance under Windows, too. I wonder if CCP has looked into that at all?

Alicia Dnari

Dnari Mining and Manufacturing

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#4 - 2016-08-16 02:15:51 UTC

An alternative to Bootcamp is to buy Parallels, and run Windows in a VM under Mac OS. I haven't tested this, though I should (I already have Windows 10 running in Parallels for other reasons). It may or may not be an improvement over running in Cider or Wine, I don't know. I do know that having to reboot every time you want to switch OSes (which you would have to do with Bootcamp) is a pain.

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Anshau Harbingers of Reset Likes received: 4	#5 - 2016-08-17 13:44:37 UTC The best solution for me was launching the game via Crossover. I really don't know how did they do it, but the performance doesn't much differ from the Bootcamp. The official client, even after moving on Wine shows approximately -30% fps from the Crossover. Macbook pro 15, i7, 16 ram, gf 750m


Solomon South of Heaven Ltd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive Likes received: 4	#6 - 2016-08-19 14:55:10 UTC Oh, I haven't heard of Crossover. What's that?

Ravow

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#7 - 2016-08-22 01:33:55 UTC

Crossover is the proprietary Wine. The company behind it is one of the biggest Wine contributor. They share mostly the same code as wine but better support (you pay for it).

If you get way better performance on crossover than Wine, something is wrong in that wine. Or maybe crossover now come with CSMT (CCP wine don't include it but patchs are available on Wine, globally it put the CPU hungry D3D9->OpenGL layer on a different core than the EVE core and so improve performance).

CCP Snorlax

C C P

C C P Alliance

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#8 - 2016-08-22 12:37:08 UTC

Ravow wrote:

I tried building with CSMT - sure enough, there was a significant performance boost, but also significant glitches in the rendering - parts of the scene flickering in and out, UI dropping out, etc.

I'll keep an eye on the progress with this feature, once it's stable enough I'll enable it.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/


Solomon South of Heaven Ltd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive Likes received: 4	#9 - 2016-08-23 10:55:53 UTC And under WINE or Crossover, I am limited to DX9, right? So I lose some visuals in EVE that require DX11?

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Planeten Schreck Green Screen Likes received: 9	#10 - 2016-08-24 12:31:54 UTC Hi, i installed the lastest parralles Version today (Version 12), is also only supports DirectX 9 +10. So for the Effects on mac you have to use bootcamp or wait for the wine DirectX 11 Support.