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Course bear in mind anyone can shoot you in nullsec regardless....that means there will be people who don't care.

But at least you've changed the battlefield considerably.

Change the thread title to 'Unwilling to play during wardec', please

Leadership V? It's a good skill to have regardless, and it seems sort of appropriate.

@ the OP:

Malcanis gave you some amazing advice, and he said it better than I could have. I will just reiterate one thing - learn how the game works. Player knowledge is the only skill that isn't on the skill tree and can't be learned via skill injectors. It is also the most vital skill in the game. If you get blown up, convo the guy who did it and ask what you could have done differently. Some of them will mock you, obviously, but a lot of them will offer you a pointer or two, and you gain a small measure of respect for not being a whinger about the loss. I learned more about Eve from people who killed me than I ever did from fights I won.

In the case of the wardec, fight back - get some cheap frigates (and insure them), and go out and shoot the guys deccing you. Yes, you will probably lose. Hilariously and repeatedly. That's not important. What's important is that you learn from those losses. Ask for advice on improving your ability to defend yourself, not on avoiding having to.

o7 Good luck.

Extremely fun, for some of us.

So Malcanis is right in that creating a corp with a dozen other new players and hanging out in highsec is no way to play EVE. Joining a pre-existing corp or alliance can be problematic, however. Fortunately for me, when I first started playing I ended up in an NPC corp that has a group of players with a consistent presence in nullsec. It allowed me to PvE and gain wealth while at the same time PvP and gain combat experience. I learned by playing both with and against people who have been in the game 10+ years. We have hard-core players, we have casuals. We have combat players, we have industry-only players.

If you don't know anybody who is already in combat-capable corp, try some of the NPSI groups. You don't need to be hard-core. Just show up for a scheduled event when you have the time and follow along. Try to make some contacts in game and figure out with whom you'd be happy. I don't really have much advice on how to find a corp to join though, having never gone through that process myself, sorry.

(I don't like highsec, by the way. It's a terrible place to play EVE and has terrible mechanics. I only visit it when I need a market hub.)

Playing EVE in HighSec when wardeced is not easy (or funny) no matter how good the CEO is, especialy if your corp is made of mostly new players with low skills (like me). To take on an aggressive counter against the wardeccers you need some capacities regardless how skilled or brave your CEO is. It just dont cut it with a handfull of newbies.

Some of you have listed some options. I thank you for that, as those advice have been most helpfull!

I have realized one thing during this boring time of wardecs: EvE is about PVP and not about hanging around in mining barges to make som ISKs. I guess many of you experienced players laugh a little about this, but here is my thought: When I came into EVE the very first time (end of may 2016) I had absolutely no idea what to do and how to do it. Not unlike thousands of others I guess.

When you get your hands on a Venture and understand how to use it, a bit of the new world opens up. Then mining is what you want to do for a while.

At the same time you finish the career agents and by the time gain some good insight, however those contain no word about PVP.

Then you do som LVL1 missions and shoot some rats. WOW! Cool. I can do it!

Then you do that for a while. And you mine. And then you get contacted by a recruiter who asks a lot of questions and before you know it you are in a coorporation. Well, that is cool. EVE is a MMO. Then the wardec came up. Most of us are new, a minority is experienced.

It was kind of a steep curve to suddenly get wardeced and be forced to do PVP. Well, I got shot but didnt shoot any. I have barely gotten into how to shoot rats. The road of learning the hard way.

Steep learning curves might be the second thing I have realized in EVE during this summer.

I guess there will be some people just quiting the game because they find it too hard / unplayable.

For my part there has been some developments that might be a good road to learn some more.

My killboard still isnt much to brag about, but I guess there will be some greens in between the reds by the time .

/Fly safe

Absolutely correct, it does NOT guarantee safety, it guarantees a certain group of people with millions of skill points and years of knowledge about EVE mechanics come into hi-sec space take advantage of the less informed player with far less experience and far less skill points.


" I can afford to replace my losses easily."

Yup sure can! Any time you can take 4, 3 million isk destroyers, to pop a 300 million isk ship. Oh yeah... I can afford to do that all day long too! Well until there are no more newbs to take advantage of and the servers are closed cause no one is renewing subscriptions to help pay the bills. Yup, excellent plan!

ShahFluffers,

How is being able to take 4 destroyers (T1 fitted) taking out a hull that supposedly was built for the rigors of "Deep Space" mining right? How is what I'm referring to possibly be considered irony?

I'm referring to hulks/macks. Not something like an Interon V. I understand your point if I were talking about a hauler. I myself while using haulers have alts for a front and rear scout on valuable moves. I understand all that. I also understand the hypervigilance needed in hi-sec mining. I personally have not lost but one Hulk in all my mining and that is because I dropped drones and miscalculated the timing of them engaging me and was concorded. Yes, the whole system had a good laugh, so did I.

I'm referring to the ability to knock out a 300m isk ship with a few throw away alts in T1 destroyers. I personally mine in every section of EVE with the exception of wormholes and I see far more aggression against hi-sec miners than anywhere. Unfortunately the ones CODE and the like prey on are the newbs who haven't dried behind their ears yet. To me that affects the game negatively because I feel we lose valuable income from monthly subs if the player loses a ship every time he/she turns around simply cause some low-skilled alts of players with years of knowledge on game mechanics in EVE decides to pick on someone who can't fight back. That's just cowardly.

Regardless of what another said about what CCP believes is or is not "harassment". I'd find it hard to believe if this were a real life situation and one person consistently showed up in the belt to bump one particular person 90% of the time he undocks is nothing but unadulterated harassment. Not a big deal with me as I have quite a few locations to mine, jump clones, several mining alts, various locations that I simply clone jump or log on to do as I wish.

My focus is on the new comers that don't have the luxury I and many others who grinded through and maintain and army of alts. Their options are limited, join a corporation so they can be wardec'd until they quit. Join a corp to cannon fodder/ There ARE a few corps who actually take care of the newbs however a large number only want a tax number and ore/ice purchases at or below 10% Jita price which we all know is a rip.

However -the constant direct and purposeful pursuit to make new comers life a living hell in this game is beyond vulgar, it's down right unfair to the new comer as they have no way to offset this aggression other than dock and log. How long do you think that new player will stay in a game where he/she can only look at his/ship in dock?

What do I suggest? Excellent question -

Hmm, unfortunately it will never happen. Quit preying on the weak newb miner and instead of killing soft targets, try a challenge and go after someone with equal or close to skills. Reason why lo and null secs are dying... everyone is up in hi-sec taking the easy targets because they are too lazy or too cowardly to fight someone who might actually kick the living crap out of them. Bring your balls.

I mean really, for each new player chased from EVE is a loss for us all! Yeah the player who was able to make the other rage quit, well he's a winner but also a loser as we all are because it's one less subscription helping to pay the bills CCP have to keep this game going.

Don't think I'm missing any points tbh. I do think many are missing the fact that as they continue this onslaught of newbs and industrialists in hi-sec is having negative affects on the game and why you see so many posts about it.

I don't care really for the statistics I keep seeing linked and the excuse people are moving on or summer vacation etc. People ARE leaving and replacements are here long enough to read forum posts and personally experience the concentrated effort against certain game play then they move on to another game.

Hope I was clear and hope the wall of text doesn't hurt your eyes.


o/

Translation to yours: I didn't read past the first paragraph because I don't agree with your preferred game play or posts, therefore your responses are invalid. Got it, thanks!

Go back to an NPC corp or harden up

This is not a viable option! IMHO wardeccs should not affect players (aka accounts not toon) <2-3 month, subbed not Plexed, and without any kills. If you kill someone you are a free target. It should also only protect industrials (no freighters, if you can finance a freighter you don't need any protection) and mining ships. These people need to get on their feet to be fun to fight with. Taking candy from a baby doesn't show good PvP skills.

Droping the corp should IMHO never be an option because the corp is the focal point for social interaction. Dropping corp should not have any beneficial effects.