EVE General Discussion

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I'm flattered that you think my opinions on how I would have made this game (entirely a fantasy) is the opinion of AG.

If you will excuse, I must go put on my hoody and issue some orders to AG....


There are others in AG whose ideas and opinions on various matters would be closer to the pulse of AG generally.

But until you figure that out, I'll bask in the power you presume I have. Now scurry away quickly, peasant.

Nah, back in the days everybody would Google for a mining bot that would do that.

You never know, humanity is so diverse.

In my case I did a lot of stuff but I wanted to prove my way to trade the markets with RL finance charts and methods would work in EvE.

I set myself a target at 300B. I achieved it, I won *my personal* EvE and I have mostly stopped playing since then.
I am still making lots of passive money despite I am not logging in since some months, everything is running smoothly and earning money with no login required.

So... it makes sense. However it's bad when you prove yourself you are right... and proving you are right means you have no further reason keep playing

No, he is suggesting removing it altogether.

Well...he might have LOTS of leisure time and a tight budget. But generally speaking, yeah.

You seem a little bit triggered.

Does the idea of an Eve, even pitched as a mythical afterthought over which I have no power, having no victim class bother you that much?

But of course the game exists because some people got buttmad over a game they played having some kind of carebear zone so perhaps everything was working as intended. It's just that less and less people are buying it these days.


Had I been there at the creation of Eve, to say "hey guys, you are setting up a wolves and sheep scenario that on the long term is only going to have the appearance of favoritism for one side and you should rethink this" I wonder what would have been?

Notice I don't say which side there is favoritism. And it matters little who can prove what. The APPEARANCE of favoritism does all of the damage. That's why I think CCPs community management is in failcascade mode because they have the authority and leadership power to put an end to this toxic relationship but some of them appear to bask in it.


But having taken the time, my idea is not so bad. Imagine if Corporation A has mining operations in a given set of systems and Corp B want's a piece of the pie, so they get more pilots than A. So you have two elements to destroy: the NPC mining assets AND the actual players who will certainly try to stop you. Kill off the players and you can take out their fleets.

No need for wardecs even.

But imagine that you cannot beat a corporation on the field, you can still keep them in check doing hit and fade operations on their mining operations. Have the NPC mining and hauling assets drop their loot and you run a supply interdiction strategy as well.

But I'm afraid at this point we're talking about an entirely different game. I was not there in the beginning, it never happened, and everything that has happened is not easily undone. I don't know why you are so upset about how I would have done it theoretically. I might as well be talking about another game entirely, and of the sort that never existed.

Maybe the idea of a game without other players to gleefully victimize might bother some people.

See Herzog...there are a few problems with that:

- To begin, let me *once again* point out that PvP *is not limited to Combat*. Stop acting like this is the only form of PvP. It isn't...
- Most *successful* miners *do not consider themselves victims*. They have lots of options to avoid unwanted combat...And they use them.
- Many non-Combat pilots (miners and others) enjoy the non-combat PvP aspects of EVE. Just because you keep pretending this side of the game doesn't exist doesn't make it true...So your brilliant idea of removing this entire side of EVE deprives these players of most of the content they enjoy...

I fail to see how simply *removing* the majority of the content of the game and forcing everyone to play your narrow vision of "FPS Space Combat Online" improves the game in any way... There are other games that already do that - go play one.


Additionally, if we *were* going to go back in time and arbitrarily remove every single play-style of EVE other than the one that 1 single person finds fun....Why would we go with *your* play style? Why not force everybody to mine gas in wormholes and never interact with another human being? This solution *also* removes your predator/victim problem...so why is it not the ideal solution?

Rather than space-bullying - you simply feel that you can declare that every single play-style in the game that isn't *yours* is "wrong" - and should never have been included as an option... If you can't see how much that makes you sound like a pretentious ***....Then you are hopeless.



And seriously - I'm not comparing you to CODE. just because you hate them. Think about it - what is it that people hate about CODE.? It is the fact that they try to force their vision of how the game should be on other people, who don't want to play that way. They are held up as the epitome of this type of arrogant elitism - and hated for it by most people who encounter them regularly...

But you have literally 1-upped CODE. on this one. You aren't even content to use in-game mechanics to try to force people to play your way - you just declare that life would be better if CCP had set up the mechanics so your play style was the only play style. I chose this comparison very specifically - because this is the group you are most like, and more extreme than...



Edit: Also - using memes doesn't make you look cool - it makes you look like a troll.

Oh for God's sake. Yes, that is all veterans do...look for new players to just blow them up.

I knew it!