EVE General Discussion

I think it was done to keep the econemy intact because they had not enough miners/Minerals but they overdid it. But just klicking to keep klicking isn't really the way to make mining thrilling. Without the element of danger there is no thrill.

I wanted a fresh start buying the 5 month offered package. I find my carrier in a hostile station. Gm refused to move it to low sec. As i have no friends playing I opened my second account to get aout of there. At the end I kinda frustrated and quit for good...

hard to believe.

when you unsub and get stuck at a hostile station after returning ...
... GMs usually move you with at least one ship and everything you can put into it.

assuming no alts used in that time, of course.

Where it up to me™ there would never have been any players flying any non-combatant vessels. It's a bit of a contradiction that this "It's a PVP Game! HURF BLURF!" has non-combatant ships.

All mining and hauling would be done by NPCs, but if any player wanted to do those things, they would have to purchase those ships and hire the crews for them and then give them orders.

And like the NPC couriers we see outside of the stations, they could be fired on by anybody.

In a pre-crimewatch approach an antagonist becomes flashy red to the owner of an NPC ship under attack. So if you wanted to mine and haul, you had to be just as good at PVP as the people wanting to blow stuff up. The NPC ships would have been "Nostromo sized", or Pillar of Autumn size (from the inside at least - that run was way longer than the ship). It would take a fleet to kill them and it would take a while.

It would have also made botting meaningless as content that screamed to be botted would have been botted out of the box, but you had to be ready to defend them from players and NPC pirates alike. There would be no "fire and forget" involved. And those operating in deep null behind intel channels and gank pipelines would be dealing with both players and NPCs in dreads. (that is, we would not have had to wait this long for pirate dreads) .


But long ago someone said "let there be sheep" with a hope that Stockholm Syndrome would be something paying players would want to experience so hence the high turnover and this hunter and hunted thing. A good PVP time could have been had by all. Another game might get it differently in the future someday.

But that's the way I would have done it.

Why should every EVE player have to be a thrill-seeker or adrenaline junkie?

Socialites who mine to pay for "Chat Room Online" aren't hurting anybody - they are making at least a small contribution to the game (arguably more in keeping others interested than in the minerals they provide, but whatever)... Why try to force them out of the game?

Similarly the hard-core miners...what is wrong with them? These are the sorts of players who enjoy playing Minecraft without using any cheat-codes or modifications to make the game easier (they might mod it to make it harder). The sort who will actually excavate and mine until they *find* 10,000 diamonds to build a palace out of - just because they enjoy the process. Why should these players not have a place in EVE?

Even the AFK miners aren't *hurting* the game significantly...even if they don't add anything to it...

The only miners who are any kind of a problem are bots...and CCP has taken steps to minimize their impact as well. I would argue that botting carrier-ratters in 0.0 have a far greater impact in the modern EVE than botting miners do...and even that is fairly nonexistent for the most part.

If you want thrills and adventure and content...Then get out there and do the things that provide that. There is no reason mining has to be one of them...



As for your "Only Combat Ships" proposal, because "It's a PVP Game!"...I have a few things to say.....

#1) This is an odd sentiment for, if I recall correctly, an anti-ganker?

#2) Yes, in terms of PvP *Combat* content, the miners are sheep. However, most *good* miners who stick with EVE (and there are a surprisingly large number) find ways to deal with Combat players without unduly disrupting their mining operations. This is all part of the game - and I see no reason to punish them or remove their play-style just because they aren't dealing with Combat in the way you wish they would... Some people can't handle it, and they will quit - as long as they are the minority and/or they get replaced by new recruits, the game won't even notice. When that balance is upset - THAT is when CCP acts to change the game...but not to chase the rest of the miners out of the game - they only act to try to bring more players in, whatever form they may take.


#3) PvP DOES NOT ONLY MEAN COMBAT!!!

Seriously, get it through your thick skulls. PvP can take many forms - they do NOT all require weaponry or open combat. EVE is 100% a PvP game - *NOT* 100% a Combat game. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

Trust me, an active miner who collects a ton of ore and then speed-sells it at a rock-bottom price that crashes an entire market sector will draw far more tears than any PvP player killing a miner...Even if he never hears the crying/whining directly.

**** - even just mining out an ice belt before the other miners get a chance to get any will net you a boat-load of tears. PvP takes *many* forms.

That is what I had to do. Couldn't get my carrier out before our systems fell. I did have a JC in the station though, so I JC'd there, put the stuff up on contracts and posted the contracts in local at a very nice price. The people living in our old space got a carrier, I got a nice load of ISK...so everyone is happy.

Oh, and not the first time I had to fire sale stuff. I mentioned that in local chatting with the guys there and the response was, "Yeah, we've all been there."

So confirming Dirty's statements...

Yes, I too hate spontaneous order.



Yes, I too want to have my stuff taken all the time whenever I want to move it.



Yeah, that will totally dissuade people from ganking.



Or it could have been a balance issue. Moving lots of stuff does have an impact in game. Butting a dread sized tank on a freighter would mean that one could move stuff in near perfect safety. And considering that being prudent gets you very close to near perfect safety, I really don't see the problem here.

I reduced playing eve since I cant relocate to a different area without 20 cynos. Since CCP nerfed jump ranges so much I cba to do all the work of 20 mids to get somewhere, albeit I kinda understand the point of the nerf. Still hurts solo guys like me too much. They also nerfed wormholes into oblivion.

I had a friend like you some years ago. We called him "Conan the Contrarian". Unlike the Barbarian counterpart he needed to hit the gym.

I stopped reading when you showed your assumption that anti-ganking means anti-PVP. That display of ignorance is all I needed to know about the value of your opinions.

I've always wondered at the players that look at accumulation of ISK as a goal of the game. Seems so pointless, and no doubt the reason that so many players feel bored playing.

I do believe that the whole purpose of a game is to keep score, using some metric or other. But wallet-balance never made sense to me.

KB