EVE General Discussion

that would be better if i could go sailing with it

Not this crap again...




At least it's not another ganker whine thread.

Citadels are ugly. Really.

Well the idea that releasing a game is a kind of fire and forget product is a little dated. Asking for improvements or new features to make the game, well, bigger? More encompassing? In-depth? I'm unsure of what the right word would be, is just a natural desire of gamers to have an immersive experience. Practicality of such desires aside of course, I don't think it is a bad thing to want that kind of experience.

As for CCP, aside from Dust they really haven't done anything but spaceships. World of Darkness never really existed, Valkyrie is space ships of a different bent, and Gunjack is well in space at least?

For those who see this as another WiS thread, which it is, my point is that even if Nova becomes a good shooter it will never be anything special. Taking that energy and building ambulatory content can likely be monetized and improve your flagship product. Additionally the Eve shooter which they are determined to make does not have to be an FPS. There are other options which can fit well with their existing products.

I would question its sports car capabilities though.

I approve this product and/or service.

(please help support the off-topic quotes of the past)

"Gamers" is a generalization. What I like isn't what others like and vice versa. You have these pie in the sky "I want everything, all in one game!" gamers and you have people like a lot of us EVE players who say "do the one thing you do well, and screw the rest". You could call folks like that 'minimalists' for lack of a better word.

EVE is a game enjoyed by such minimalists (it is 'no-nonsense' to it's core, that what I love about it), and less so by the 'immersion' types (like role players, there is a reason the role play community is so small in EVE compared to other games like SWTOR which has whole role play servers).

Not everyone wants to be 'encompassed' or immersed in a game. Mainstream MMO players DO want to get lost in their games, want to suspend disbelief for a bit and become their avatars. EVE attracts the people it does (and turns off mainstream MMO players) not because it's hard, but more because it's a less immersive "chess game with spaceships" experience.

The WiS crowd (most of which are role player types to begin with) want WiS because it feeds more into what they already want. Those of us who actually like what EVE is now understand that WiS would dilute the game in an unfavorable way. Personally I think those people who want to be immersed in some kind of fantasy situation where they can pretend to be some guy in the future are better off playing Star Trek Online or waiting for a finished Star Citizen rather than expecting CCP to foolishly modify their game away from it's already winning (for more than a decade) formula.

Immersion is relative. Most gamers wouldn't call EVE immersive, mainly because of the lack of avatar gameplay.



If there is so much to do, so many ways to play, what is the jsutification of another 'layer'?

The desire to see another layer added ignores history. CCP tried it. They failed. the reaosn they failed has a lot to do with hubris, but IMO it has a lot more with losing focus.

EVE is good imo because it focuses on one main thing (space ships) and every.single.other.thing in the game (except Project Discovery, which is a special case) revolves around that one main thing. Everything you can do in a station while docked is still a matter of space ships. WiS dilutes EVE by making the game about something other than space ships. While people are screwing around in a station they aren't in space.

EVE has enough non-space gameplay (the markets and production), it does not need more.



Anything that takes any focus away from spaceships hurts EVE. Again, I think that people who want a more complete (less focused imo) sci fi experience should look for that in STO or SC rather than advocating CCP do something they have proven they can't.

CCP has trouble making SPACESHIP pve content (see "Drifter incursions", which don't exist anymore), what makes you think they could get Wis right?

All I can say, all you "imaginers", let us know when your new game releases. And, good luck with the crowd funding!

(Or is this something "they" can do...for you?)



Or yet another post whining about whiners....no, wait....

When we compare EVE and others like Elite and SC, you can see that its all a battle of APC's rather than who drives porsche and who HMMWV.

They try to push for as much features/firepower as possible to dictate the conditions on battlefield. And even when CCP is standing strong with EVE, they are constantly shoot at and their vehicle is looking less impressive with every piece of stuff added to the rivals.

I remember when in CSM notes someone started with asking what car EVE is, like they perceive it.

I would rather ask them: where do you want to go with that campaign and with that vehicle, because there are others out there ready to shoot you in the head.