EVE General Discussion

Tell me about it, I still have some event loot from the 2013 Sansha event that never ended up being used. I suspect it was one of those events that CCP would rather we all forget about given the issues that plagued it.

I don't think the OP is considering CCP objectives correctly. CCP wanted an event that would engage players and what better way to engage players than give them a 'good' chance in dropping a faction capital BPC worth potentially billions?

The problem is they don't want a bazillion of these capitals flying around.

They also wanted an event that redistributes wealth from the richer players and something that would stimulate the resource gathering and manufacturing industries.

What they have done is actually quite clever.

1. Players that actually receive the BPCs are going to wet themselves, despite the fact that they are never going to build the thing. They are simply going to sell the BPC.

2. Players that buy the BPC are going to wet themselves. Even in BPC form they have something of a status symbol and arguably an investment.

3. Players that actually build the thing are going to wet themselves. They are the elite, look at me. But very few if any are ever going to use them in combat, so they won't unbalance the game.

4. If one ever does go into combat, players who shoot it are going to wet themselves. What a great KM they will be number 386th on.

5. Miners and others resource gatherers are going to benefit from every one of these ships that get built. They won't notice and continue whining about being ganked, but it will be another factor pushing up the price of their minerals another 0.02 cents.

Where is the lose?

You can do that with seekers.
When you do it at a Jove observatory you can even see ...
... how they then shoot lasers at it, possibly repairing it with the corpse.

Or maybe storing it. I don't know.

It shoots two differently coloured lasers, one at a time.
A blue one and an orange one. One moving towards, one moving backwards.

Trying to deliver a few dozen corpses though is pure pain...

Agreed. 30B is utterly ridiculous for a dread. 10B would be better for this. Or perhaps a unique role to receive reps in siege.

Just because something is used often, that doesn't make it less childish.

Otherwise this forum wouldn't need a word filter, since all those obscenities filtered out by it would be perfectly fine, since they're used "often" and are "commonly accepted" as obscenities.

Trollers just started doing their thing ...

I will write a report about my overall thoughts about the event in a different post. It had many many positives.

One thing to note is that CCP have now lowered the Vehement build costs, whether that was the result of this post or not (or the others on different forums) is not for me to say, but it is important to note the Super and Titan build costs remain the same, yet the issue is the same for them as it is the Vehement. Does this mean that CCP has shifted on the Vehement because it in particular has been targeted by the community, that of course would be more focused on the Vehement simply due to the number of people that obtained a BPC? I don't know the answer to this question, but it is arbitrary that the Vehement got a 30% build cost reduction and the Vendetta and Vanquisher did not.

I would like to hear from CCP themselves as to the rationale behind the excessive build requirements of these ships. Considering the work that is gonna go into building them, I think and explanation as to the process by which they derived the 20x build reqs of the the t1 equivalents for these ships, is not a big ask. Or even better for them to take on board some of the suggestions made by players in this thread to make the ships more lore friendly and/or replace some of the parts with PI or even the junk that now piles up that we used to build Data interfaces from? There are so many creative ways to go about engaging the community in building these ships and it seems to have been a missed opportunity and a lazy decision to just inflate the build costs.

CCP if you wanna keep your playerbase, please don't forget (despite what the forums my lead one to believe) that eve's playerbase is one of the most intelligent collections of gamers in the world and appeasing their desire to have things add up will ensure you have a solid base of players for the next decade to come. We like fiddling, we like tinkering, we like working out difficult problems and creating them. We like the sandbox, we want different shapes of spades and buckets, not more sand to pile up. These ships are boring in their build costs, it's ABC minerals en mass, piles of sand...

Price is not the issue, stupid build reqs is. I don't care if the ships end up costing 1 trillion isk, a ship the same size as a Moros should not require x20 the parts. Simple.

Lords without peasants command nothing but weeds and dirt.

This one is easy, reimburse these players. It's very easy.

bump this to let ccp notice it