Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With this idea, why have ore holds at all? Just make them normal cargo bays like they used to be.

CCP changed barges because miners didn't want to fit tank and whined they were too easy to kill. So now they can have tank AND big ore bays.

Nope

Hmmm...

Item that reduces the ship defence and keeps a mining ship in space for longer periods...

I don't have a problem with it

Did you not read my post? This is EXACTLY how it worked before and miners whined so hard CCP gave barges an all out buff of tank, yield and special ore bays that meant they never had to sacrifice anything for capacity.

This change puts us back to square one. Miners obviously cannot be trusted with meaningful choices.

Sure, and a bonus to active tank.

I'm going to propose a radical counter-point to your post.

CCP did nothing wrong. Other than not allow you to fit your ship for more storage over tank.

The player chooses to fit tank or capacity. Do you have any salient point why this shouldn't be done? In the current game?

But that's not an argument. If you want to mention specific ships as being the hands-down best choice then you will need to post some more info like location said mining is performed, the format (fleet, jetcan, solo) and the relative levels of risk as determined by rat spawns and likelihood of hostile player interaction.

This history lesson doesn't prove anything. So what if miners whined to get ships dedicated to their craft? They're whining now about being ganked constantly. If the ganking dropped they'd unsub and whine the game was boring then too. Or not. Historical complaints include industry being impossible to make money from, ore being worth more than the minerals they create and the lack of mining ships larger than barges/exhumers. Now they're getting capital mining drones (whatever that's going to mean) and the whining there hasn't visibly started yet probably only because noone has actually tried them out.

I don't really remember pre-change mining ships. Someone enlighten me. Someone enlighten me how it's even relevant to the idea of having hold-specific cargo extenders. Is there some high level design mantra to only have an extremely specific amount of specialty ore holds? And the comment about procurer/skiff - what is your point? They have too much tank?

smh tbh fam I expected more from you baltec.

Why would you want to lower ore/mineral prices?

People will complain about the perceived lower value.
(it's nonsense, but they'll still do it out of cluelessness)

Why did they review BLOPs jump fatigue timers if jump fatigue was specifically introduced to counteract the veracity of the things bridged ships did?

We could go at this all day. Why you people are fighting against the idea of having your procurers/skiffs loaded for ore-hold instead of EHP I don't know. Because you fallaciously believe that when an option is given it MUST be taken?

Agility isn't much of a penalty for them. Take it out on shield capacity or powergrid instead-- something that forces a tough choice. Agility is no choice-- they don't use any, being pre-aligned anyway.

It's not that the whiners can't be trusted with important decisions. It's just they like to feel important by making pointless changes, and often don't understand the game in the first place.

Old mining ships had a single cargo hold, same story actually with all the specific bays. Players were required to choose how they fit their ships; do they want to fit max tank to survive? Do they want to fit max yield for profits? Or do they want to fit max cargo to stay in belt longer? This was the old way mining barges worked.

There were a couple of problems with this approach. First, the hulk was basically the only exhumer worth using, as it had the best base stats (it's been a few years so correct me if wrong). Second, miners complained that their max yield fit exhumers were not tanky enough or had enough cargo. So CCP took the three exhumers and gave them different roles, roles which used to be decided by fitting choices. At the same time they gave the exhumers dedicated ore holds to save them from using slots on cargo mods, simplifying choices for miners further.

Now that's the history lesson over, let's get to your idea. Every time CCP has brought out modules to increase a certain stat (eg. Cargo), they nerf the base stats so that you must use the new modules to have the same cargo you had before. Freighter EHP is a good example of this.

If CCP take your idea, expect current ore hold sizes to be nerfed. You would be REQUIRED to fit these rigs just to keep the ore hold size you have now. This goes exactly against the original reason for ore holds to begin with. This is why so many in this thread say to you "might as well go back to having one cargo hold".

TL;DR: your idea is bad, and you should feel bad for suggesting it.