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Why game mechanics tolerate gameys

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IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#1 - 2016-08-05 22:00:57 UTC
Yesterday agressive players destroyed my minning barge in hisec. I bought it for ~40 millions with equipment, now I lost everything.

It was done by group of players, who do it intentionally for long time. They use cheap ships for 1 million, twink characters and take no punishment that is supposed by game mechanics. They killed my ship, capsule. Concord destroyed 1 ship. Then they killed other miners for no reason.

I asked why, they trolled me, replied some pathetic nonsense, that I am so bad and useless because I mine asteroids.

Do dev allow such things intentionally? Shouldn't they be punished? What sence is in high security systems if any troll can kill you and have no bad consequences with exept to losing 1 million ship and bad security status for twink character?

If i mine, trade or play PvE then I spoil game and can be offended by other players? Bad, I am tired of boring PvP in other games, I was intersted in mining, trading e.t.c.. Should I leave EVE not to spoil game to great teen PvP players?
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#2 - 2016-08-05 22:03:14 UTC
*pulls up with a trailer* Got your fresh batch of dead horses to beat.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2016-08-05 22:03:22 UTC
It's part of the game. Fight back, hide or quit. See section 7 for further clarification.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Keno Skir
#4 - 2016-08-05 22:06:18 UTC
Just learn from it. People are the danger in EvE that's why it's so good :)

It's a mistake to go for max yeild and not bother to fit a tank, this was your lesson.

You can either move to an area of space where you will be safer (research), or fit your barge for tank and be less of a target.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#5 - 2016-08-05 22:14:30 UTC
protip: only ever fly a properly tanked Procurer class Barge or Skiff class Exhumer.

your 100% untanked Retriever in Maurasi stood no chance.

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IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#6 - 2016-08-05 22:14:30 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Just learn from it. People are the danger in EvE that's why it's so good :)

It's a mistake to go for max yeild and not bother to fit a tank, this was your lesson.

You can either move to an area of space where you will be safer (research), or fit your barge for tank and be less of a target.


That was 0.9 system. If so, what sence in playing other roles than PvP? If any agressive school boy on cheap ship can humiliate you in any time and don't have any problems?
Swoop McFly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-08-05 22:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Swoop McFly
Yes, the devs allow it. It's part of the game that stuff blows up - even in highsec.
High security doesn't mean it's perfectly safe - just safER than other parts of space.

Your mining barge had no tank fitted at all. Concord will come and destroy the attackers but it takes a couple of seconds before they arrive. If your ship is paper thin Concord will be too late to safe you.
The people that attacked you are part of a corporation that is known for ganking. Set them to a negative standing and watch local to see when they enter system.


edit: Also: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Putting all your eggs into one basket usually ends badly in Eve.
IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#8 - 2016-08-05 22:22:48 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
protip: only ever fly a properly tanked Procurer class Barge or Skiff class Exhumer.

your 100% untanked Retriever in Maurasi stood no chance.


Retriever is for 0.7-1.0 systems, Procurer for others, no? What sence in Retriever if there are no hisec systems _in fact_? Odd ship in tree?
Maekchu
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-08-05 22:28:50 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
protip: only ever fly a properly tanked Procurer class Barge or Skiff class Exhumer.

your 100% untanked Retriever in Maurasi stood no chance.


Retriever is for 0.7-1.0 systems, Procurer for others, no? What sence in Retriever if there are no hisec systems _in fact_? Odd ship in tree?

You can use a Retriever/Mack fine for highsec, if you just pick some low populated area.

Remember, highsec does not mean that you are secure. It is just space with different engagement rules from low or null. Since EvE is a sandbox, this means that even though you don't want to PvP, it might still happen that you become target of someone elses PvP. The faster you accept this fact about the game, the faster you will learn to adapt and not be a victim.
Solecist Project
#10 - 2016-08-05 22:30:17 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
protip: only ever fly a properly tanked Procurer class Barge or Skiff class Exhumer.

your 100% untanked Retriever in Maurasi stood no chance.


Retriever is for 0.7-1.0 systems, Procurer for others, no? What sence in Retriever if there are no hisec systems _in fact_? Odd ship in tree?

No. Every ship has a role, which means it has featurws that makemit good at something within its class.

Dont blindly listen to people telling you to sacririce yield for tank.

attention will easily keep you safe with minimal effort and a proper fitting without sacrificing yield!

and no again, security status doesnt work like that at all. there are no system wide ship restrictions or recommodations. :)



(and now ill check if youre a troll. apologies for the lack of apostrophes :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#11 - 2016-08-05 22:30:31 UTC  |  Edited by: IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Swoop McFly wrote:
Yes, the devs allow it. It's part of the game that stuff blows up - even in highsec.
High security doesn't mean it's perfectly safe - just safER than other parts of space.


Sad to read it. Well, ok... Will know that miners in this game are a little odd. One button gankers are more important.
Ok, I must stop whining. :)

Solecist Project wrote:
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
protip: only ever fly a properly tanked Procurer class Barge or Skiff class Exhumer.

your 100% untanked Retriever in Maurasi stood no chance.


Retriever is for 0.7-1.0 systems, Procurer for others, no? What sence in Retriever if there are no hisec systems _in fact_? Odd ship in tree?

No. Every ship has a role, which means it has featurws that makemit good at something within its class.

Dont blindly listen to people telling you to sacririce yield for tank.

attention will easily keep you safe with minimal effort and a proper fitting without sacrificing yield!

and no again, security status doesnt work like that at all. there are no system wide ship restrictions or recommodations. :)



(and now ill check if youre a troll. apologies for the lack of apostrophes :)


Yes. But sad that I can't pay for that, as they use twink characters. ( So, you can do bad things on 1 character, while main one is unaffected by bounties and low security status.
Solecist Project
#12 - 2016-08-05 22:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
protip: only ever fly a properly tanked Procurer class Barge or Skiff class Exhumer.

your 100% untanked Retriever in Maurasi stood no chance.


Retriever is for 0.7-1.0 systems, Procurer for others, no? What sence in Retriever if there are no hisec systems _in fact_? Odd ship in tree?

No. Every ship has a role, which means it has features which make it good at something within its class.

Dont blindly listen to people telling you to sacririce yield for tank.
attention will easily keep you safe with minimal effort and a proper fitting without sacrificing yield!

and no again, security status doesnt work like that at all. there are no system wide ship restrictions or recommodations. :)



(and now ill check if youre a troll. apologies for the lack of apostrophes :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Solecist Project
#13 - 2016-08-05 22:34:59 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Swoop McFly wrote:
Yes, the devs allow it. It's part of the game that stuff blows up - even in highsec.
High security doesn't mean it's perfectly safe - just safER than other parts of space.


Sad to read it. Well, ok... Will know that miners in this game are a little odd. One button gankers are more important.
Ok, I must stop whining. :)

we prefer activw players over inactive afkers who dont actually play.

no offense intended. its just how it is. :)

(thanks for saving me the time to check :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#14 - 2016-08-05 22:49:16 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Swoop McFly wrote:
Yes, the devs allow it. It's part of the game that stuff blows up - even in highsec.
High security doesn't mean it's perfectly safe - just safER than other parts of space.


Sad to read it. Well, ok... Will know that miners in this game are a little odd. One button gankers are more important.
Ok, I must stop whining. :)

we prefer activw players over inactive afkers who dont actually play.

no offense intended. its just how it is. :)

(thanks for saving me the time to check :)


I mine = I am inactive afker who don't play and odd in the game.
Very nice. Well, ok.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#15 - 2016-08-05 22:58:55 UTC
If you're dead set on using a Retriever, look into alternatives to public belts. There are security missions that have asteroids in them, and level 1 security missions can generally be cleared out in a frigate (or, at worst, a destroyer). Clear the mission's rats, but don't turn in the mission. Bring your barge in, mine, and keep an eye on DScan.

Additionally, take a look at zKillboard, see which groups lose a lot of ships to CONCORD, then set those groups to -10 (Terrible) standings. Fit your ship with a Higgs rig, and if one of them shows up in your system, align to a station and set your speed to 75% max (aka, warp-out speed). If they show up on-grid, warp out.

The key critical part is that you have to be actively at your keyboard to accomplish this, and not draw attention to yourself. Whining on a forum is a pretty quick way to drawing a lot of attention to yourself.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#16 - 2016-08-05 23:02:27 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Yesterday agressive players destroyed my minning barge in hisec. I bought it for ~40 millions with equipment, now I lost everything.

It was done by group of players, who do it intentionally for long time. They use cheap ships for 1 million, twink characters and take no punishment that is supposed by game mechanics. They killed my ship, capsule. Concord destroyed 1 ship. Then they killed other miners for no reason.

I asked why, they trolled me, replied some pathetic nonsense, that I am so bad and useless because I mine asteroids.

Do dev allow such things intentionally? Shouldn't they be punished? What sence is in high security systems if any troll can kill you and have no bad consequences with exept to losing 1 million ship and bad security status for twink character?

If i mine, trade or play PvE then I spoil game and can be offended by other players? Bad, I am tired of boring PvP in other games, I was intersted in mining, trading e.t.c.. Should I leave EVE not to spoil game to great teen PvP players?




The people who blew up your ship also brigade in these forums.

You will be told to go play something else.

But there is no dishonor in doing so. Many others have gone on to play something else and are happier for it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Solecist Project
#17 - 2016-08-05 23:09:19 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:

I mine = I am inactive afker who don't play and odd in the game.
Very nice. Well, ok.

passive aggressiveness.

you have no ground to speak to people like that.

that you are pissed about people shooting you down is okay,
the fact that you take it so overly personally isnt.

its a game. if you identify with your character and mistake ingame with reality ...
... you will constantly make enemies.

you smell like carebear... *sniffsniff*


i urge you to reconsider your approach! this is not a game for serious escapists!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2016-08-05 23:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Winter Archipelago wrote:
If you're dead set on using a Retriever, look into alternatives to public belts. There are security missions that have asteroids in them, and level 1 security missions can generally be cleared out in a frigate (or, at worst, a destroyer). Clear the mission's rats, but don't turn in the mission. Bring your barge in, mine, and keep an eye on DScan.
This is great advice.

To take it a step further, you should actually leave one rat (it will be easy to tank) so that the mission completion is not triggered, this will allow the site to regenerate after downtime and be used everyday for the 7 days before the mission expires as long as you don't trigger the completion. Get a few of these going and you will have more ore than you can possibly mine.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#19 - 2016-08-05 23:13:39 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
protip: only ever fly a properly tanked Procurer class Barge or Skiff class Exhumer.

your 100% untanked Retriever in Maurasi stood no chance.


Retriever is for 0.7-1.0 systems, Procurer for others, no? What sence in Retriever if there are no hisec systems _in fact_? Odd ship in tree?

No. Every ship has a role, which means it has featurws that makemit good at something within its class.

Dont blindly listen to people telling you to sacririce yield for tank.

attention will easily keep you safe with minimal effort and a proper fitting without sacrificing yield!

and no again, security status doesnt work like that at all. there are no system wide ship restrictions or recommodations. :)



(and now ill check if youre a troll. apologies for the lack of apostrophes :)


Speaking as one who doesn't mind sacrificing the odd Catalyst on the altar of the mining gods, if D-Scan shows only Skiffs & Procurers, I tend to look elsewhere. If it's Retrievers & Hulks: game on. When you have a -9 sec status anyways, it's one of the more esoteric uses of a highsec static WH connection.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#20 - 2016-08-05 23:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
protip: only ever fly a properly tanked Procurer class Barge or Skiff class Exhumer.

your 100% untanked Retriever in Maurasi stood no chance.


Retriever is for 0.7-1.0 systems, Procurer for others, no? What sence in Retriever if there are no hisec systems _in fact_? Odd ship in tree?
Nope, all of the mining barges and exhumers can be used anywhere; they do however fall into 3 groups, each of which trades various stats like ore capacity, range, yield, cycle speed and tank against each other.

Procuror and Skiff, built like tanks, they have a smaller ore capacity than the others and some offensive capability.
Retriever and Mackinaw, huge ore capacity, decent yield, while being squishy unless fitted not to be.
Covetor and Hulk, tiny ore capacity, much higher yield and a better range than the others, best flown in groups.

If you want to mine unmolested by gankers then you need to get off the beaten track, some areas of hisec space, some surprisingly close to trade hubs, are virtually empty and the belts go untouched.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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