EVE General Discussion

Oh okay, so as long as I only gank completely untanked ships with t2 fittings in 0.5 systems and never fail a gank, I'll be good.

So I say again, unless you're super selective about your targets (only occasionally actually ganking but spending most of your time passing up otherwise viable targets), you can expect to lose money over time.

You asserted that this is how "most people who gank miners" operate, which is very much incorrect.


I'm not whining about anything friend, I don't gank for profit. I'm just pointing out that the claims you made are false and you clearly don't know what you're talking about.


Look at it this way, by far the largest and most active miner-ganking organization in the game, doesn't do so for profit but rather for ideological reasons. What does that tell you about the profitability of ganking miners?

Where are you gettings these prices from? 2 million? Then you got very lucky as that is far away from their usual price point which hovers between 3.5 and 4 million these days (currently slightly below 3.7 million in Jita). Edit: I suppose you mean T2?

Retriever for 35-40 must have been a price spike a long time ago that you're remembering. 25 mil is also very cheap. They're usually traded for close to 30 mil, depending on mineral prices (currently 29 mil in Jita). Apart from that, drawing conclusions from T1 items/ships is dangerous as they're also built by the "minerals are free" idiots.

Have a look at http://eve-marketdata.com for statistics that exceed the 1 year limit of the ingame price history. It's quite interresting.

Huh?
What is a real suicide ganker?
What do you think is typical?

So you act like a jackass, you get called on it, you apologize and then use another offensive psychiatric diagnosis for players doing things you don't ilke...and you are the one complaining about my discourse? I guess that takes a special type of self-centeredness.

Relatively new or not, should the majority not be considered typical? Ignoring what typical is, what does classifying someone as typical or not typical accomplish? Is one's opinion any less relevant if they are not typical? Relevance should be based on knowledge and experience, not what is typical.

I can't speak for everyone but ganking is not the end goal of my organization and I fall into what you would arbitrarily call typical.

is the typical EvE player a .01 ISK biomassed Jita scammer?
is the typical EvE player bearing it up solo multiboxing?
is the typical EvE player AFK icemining?

There are some subtle differences between how many toons are participating versus how many genuine persons are playing. Does a multiboxed bomberwing count? Do the 6 alts also count?

In a discussion entirely around profit for the last 16 pages, I would think trying to earn a buck would classify as "typical" yes. If that doesn't factor in, then what the hell are y'all even talking about??

If you want to discuss ganking profitability in terms of CODE. - the mining ships are irrelevant.

Fine, lets say you lose a couple million isk per mining ship - doesn't matter.

Because then we have to factor in all the *other* ships your alliance ganks. The freighters, the industrials, the missioning ships, etc.

Your average freighter gank seems to drop around, what, 2 billion isk in loot as a safe low-ball estimate? Multiply that by 3600 freighters ganked and that gives us an estimated profit of 7.2 trillion isk. Just from freighters - not even including haulers/etc.

Now, lets say you lose 5 million isk per miner you gank - that means you are still making a profit overall for at least 1.44 million miner ganks.

Now, lets assume CODE. is nothing but a scam on its own members (just for the fun of it), and your leadership just puts 90% of that straight into their own pockets - that still leaves you with 144,000 fully paid for miner ganks. Since CODE. has only performed 65,000 kills to date - total, I'd say you are making quite a handsome profit with your ganking.

Q.E.D. - having done the math - The *typical* ganker (hereby defined as CODE.) is making massive profits on average.


edit: And I didn't even include your donations at all, nor the hauler kills, nor any other sources of income. The real profit amount is of course significantly higher.

edit #2: And please take notice that I literally just *threw away* 90% of my calculated profit with my (ridiculous?) assumption that CODE. is just a scam - if we assume the CODE. leadership isn't running it as a scam and that all of the money gets used for ganking....well...I'm 10 times as right using those numbers... (or we could assume a ridiculously low profit of only 200m isk per freighter and use my current -90% numbers - either way really)

edit #3: **** even if we just take your total isk lost for all time on zkill - which includes POSes, POCOs, your own mining barges, etc etc etc etc (a lot more than ganking ships) - that is still only 1.18t. And I do think that my estimate of 7.2 trillion isk in loot drops is pretty ridiculously low with a total of 33.81t isk destroyed...I mean that is only a value drop rate of 21%...That is just your potential *bounty payouts* before loot is even factored in...

Your math is, as usual, pretty messed up, but before we even get into that, please explain to me how Jason Kusion ganking a freighter somehow results in cash going into my pocket.

I'm a miner ganker, that is what we were talking about before you started desperately trying to make this about the Savior of Highsec and whatever else...


You act like we have an alliance treasury or something, we don't. We have an SRP fund that is filled through donations.

Hey thanks bud. It's really classy of you to admit when you lose at forum PVP.

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