EVE General Discussion

Well ironically CODE. is pretty new-player friendly in their recruitment - so for CODE. specifically (and not just people in the alliance, I know) I'm sure the average profit for miner ganking does suffer from needing extra ships and the occasional failed gank/etc.

My own experience was more planned out - I did the math before I went in, so of course I made sure I turned a profit =P. I'm not a religious zealot, I just wanted to try out ganking.

My comments were regarding ganking in general - not the CODE. organization specifically - even though I do realize they are the primary ganker of mining ships.


The *primary* point I've been making all along on this issue is that gankers are in the lucky position to *choose* how much they spend and how much they make. The only reason *not* to turn a profit is if profit is not your motive - but that is still your *choice* - not a broken game mechanic at that point.


But if people like Galaxy Chicken want me to pity them - fine, they can have my pity. Just perhaps not for the reasons they want it....

No, content comes in many forms. When an alliance/coalition decides to go to war with another that is content. Content is an umbrella term. Why does WoW get to call everything they do "content" when it is not all the same. It is an umbrella term. Same thing for players providing in game activities for other players to do.

The problem here is the limited view you and Rek Seven have. You are wrong, CCP says you are wrong. Good enough for me.

I have promised myself to not post ever again in these forums, but I guess I stopped caring since then, as for about a week I have decided to quit Eve (after playing it for more than two months). Why am I still here? Bringing Biology to level 5 so I can use the boosters I got from running the "Kill the Shipyard Event" (all three of them), for the unlikely chance that Eve will become "my game" someday and I will be back to ENJOY playing it.

I have read a good number of posts in this thread (first 10 pages for sure ) and decided to share a new player's view (my irrelevant opinion) and feel about Eve Online. When I am done, you can proceed with slapping me with whatever accusations that come to your mind. I'll take it, it is forum PvP after all !

First I would suggest changing the name of the game. It should be called As****le/Punk Ganker Paradise. According to what I read about and experience in the game this would be a better name for its current state. There is no real PvP in it.

Wherever you turn in the game everyone is "reaping/collecting/savouring/out for" other players "tears". They are actually out there to "PvP" (read blobb/gank/grief) just for that purpose. It does not matter where: fighting in space, scamming, you name it.

A new player (2 days) posts on reddit: "I am out for tears. Can you suggest best fit for a ship to grief miners?" (not exact words as I read them about 2 weeks ago). What was the reaction? Everyone eagerly jumped in with suggestions.

Honestly, I do not feel comfortable around such a high percentage of people with psychopathic tendecies. How else would you call someone whose intention is to make another person suffer (emotionally or otherwise) and enjoy it?

Everyone is talking about Eve as a cold and harsh universe. Most of those people have no idea what that really means. Bedroom/basement/home office "warriors" . If you are a considerate person and have experienced real life harsh and cold universe/environment, you will never want to "reap tears" without a very sound reason.

For a long time I wanted to play Eve being misinformed about it. If I would have known who the major part of the playerbase is, I would have not payed for a one year subscription.

And by the way, if you come across my only kill (me being killed in a wormhole), please do not try to use that as "carebear lost a Heron and is crying now". I was so bored and burnt out after the Shipyard event that I simply did not care and just wanted to know if there is something else in this game I am missing and I could not care less about the loss.

Mining - boring, missions - boring/repetitive with negative effect on one's standings, lowsec - gatecamped, nullsec - divided/owned and most of the time unreachable for a noob that does not care about corporations/alliances.

Maybe Eve was intended as a sandbox, but it is not (especially for a new player). I looked on the recruitment forum to find a corp to join, that is in a WH/null. What do I find? Logi/mining ship/bait frigate skills for null, 20 mill SP for WH. Is that an open world/go wherever/do whatever you want environment? Hardly so!

So what options a new casual player has? Mine/mission run in hisec coping with all the a** gankers and other arrogant pricks and wait and hope that one day you will actually do something you might enjoy.

And that in addition to the brick wall learning curve, and artificial/unnecessary complexity/SP requirements. I have an impression that most people keep playing this game only because they got so invested while waiting for the SPs to allow them to do anything meaningful/worth doing in this game.

All of the above might give you a hint regarding the low retention of new players. I will be leaving soon, before I get even more invested and I am really sad about it, as I wanted to like Eve Online.

I am done whining ! Now you can start slapping me.

Fly safe!

I'm talking t2 fit, no tank.


Again, this isn't complicated maths.

A basic t2 fit retriever should drop ~3 million isk in loot (1 strip miner, 1 mining upgrade)

It can be ganked by a 2 million isk t1 fit catalyst in any 0.5 system with concord pre-pulled (using a free rookie ship)

You get 750k of the catalyst cost back - so total cost of the gank is 1.25 million isk.

3.75 million isk loot > 1.25 million isk lost.

Profit.


If you *choose* to gank ships that will not be profitable, by using cost-ineffective ships or targetting ships that are not cost effective to kill - that is still your *choice*....

Deal with it.


edit: I will grant you that strip miners and other mining modules are only half the price they were when I was ganking - shortly after the big infamous mining ship hp buff - and you are correct this did skew my old profit calculations. noticeably.... But the fact remains that you *know* going in exactly what your likely profit/loss is likely to be. You get the luxury of *choosing* how much isk to make. So don't cry if you make stupid choices.

From what I can tell it's only a minor part of the playerbase that is like this, it is however a very loud and visible one (especially in highsec).

If you don't like the PVE elements of the game, don't do them. They don't get more interresting with more SP, only easier and/or more profitable.

My advice would be: get out of Highsec! Look for a newbie friendly corp in *any* other part of space that puts its emphasis on PVP and not PVE. People in other parts of the game, regardless if it's lowsec, nullsec or WH space, are usually much more friendly towards other players on a social level (which doesn't mean that they won't blow up your ship but that doesn't seem to be your primary concern). Highsec is a cesspool of griefers/gankers/scammers/etc. Many regular players there won't even talk in local out of fear for them. Why CCP puts its new players there is quite honestly beyond me.

It is interesting, looking at prices of modern mining items...

While every other ship type and module type in EVE has been getting more expensive... the mining ships/equipment have actually gone *down* in price pretty noticeably in the past few years.

I wonder if this is an over-reaction by the industrial section of the game trying to compensate for the perception that tons of miners are being ganked - so they are going to need new ships/gear?

I don't have a way to track it, and CCP doesn't care enough, but it would be interesting to find out.

It would be ironic if all the ganking these past few years has actually made it easier for new players to get into mining by indirectly driving down all the prices on the equipment...

Let me see, whining? Check.

Wanting only to have player-to-player interaction on his own term? Check.

Wild exaggeration in regards to ganking? Check.

Calling those who gank psychopaths? Check.

Eve is not a sandbox? Check.

Complaining about the learning curve? Check.

Maybe this isn't the game for those who are insistent on remaining ignorant and lazy.

Good try, but you failed !

Lazy? Not really. I was spending 5-16 hours a day in the game for the whole time since I created my only character. To the point that I started having issues with my spouse. Reading, reading, reading!

Ignorant? Not really. More like Inquistive. I had invested years in some other activities (not gaming) earlier in my life that ended up to be a waste of time, so I have become more cautious.

I just value my time reserved for "fun" and do not want to put up with the BS you swallowed years ago and are now defending. Read again this whole thread and see what you yourselves, older players, are saying about the game and CCP.

Pease, make sure that you read and UNDERSTAND, before jumping to personal offences.

Sorry for using the more generic "psychopath" term. Should have used the more precise "sadists". Use Google to research the term and tell me how do you call those who thrive on other people's suffering ("tear reaping").

If you also paid attention I did not complain about learning curve. English is not my native language so I just used an expression that another vet player used in one of these forums. I just considered it the most accurate and descriptive.

You seem to be in the arguing mood, so I will ignore your future comments. You should follow Jenn aSide example. She at least brought value to the thread with her comment.

Just an impression...I *had* tried to make that clear in the 2nd half of my post (which you conveniently deleted I notice ).

I don't do industry anymore, and I don't even need to shop all that often (because I literally have so much junk scattered around the universe I can generally find whatever I need just by rummaging for a few minutes and flying 20 jumps) - but in general the things I do buy are more expensive than they used to be. So I was surprised to note that all of the mining ships and mining items are cheaper than they used to be. Like a lot cheaper...

Like strip miners used to be 4 million, now they are 2 million. Retriever used to cost 35-40 million, now it is 25 million.

I know I'm out of touch with the industrial side of EVE - it just seemed odd.