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Every year, there are less users playing, why??

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1001 - 2016-08-04 09:35:33 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Then call it what it is instead of using the catch all word "content".


What the **** do you call it then?

If CCP gives you something to do in game....oooohhh it is content. Wow.

A player gives you something to do in game and it is.....? Shall we call Beverly?

Roll



If that "something to do" is mining, call it mining, if it's shooting someone call it a fight or PVP, if CCP say "we are adding wormholes" call that a content expansion. Blink


Exactly.

It happens that in this game there are players ( usually gankers ) that seem to show off what they do claiming that what they do is special and that they "are creating content".

No, they aren't and they are not special at all, they are playing the game exactly as everyone else.


So we are going to ignore the fact that CCP also calls it player made content?
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1002 - 2016-08-04 09:44:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Then call it what it is instead of using the catch all word "content".


What the **** do you call it then?

If CCP gives you something to do in game....oooohhh it is content. Wow.

A player gives you something to do in game and it is.....? Shall we call Beverly?

Roll



If that "something to do" is mining, call it mining, if it's shooting someone call it a fight or PVP, if CCP say "we are adding wormholes" call that a content expansion. Blink


Exactly.

It happens that in this game there are players ( usually gankers ) that seem to show off what they do claiming that what they do is special and that they "are creating content".

No, they aren't and they are not special at all, they are playing the game exactly as everyone else.


So we are going to ignore the fact that CCP also calls it player made content?


CCP can call it as they prefer...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1003 - 2016-08-04 09:51:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
baltec1 wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Then call it what it is instead of using the catch all word "content".


What the **** do you call it then?

If CCP gives you something to do in game....oooohhh it is content. Wow.

A player gives you something to do in game and it is.....? Shall we call Beverly?

Roll



If that "something to do" is mining, call it mining, if it's shooting someone call it a fight or PVP, if CCP say "we are adding wormholes" call that a content expansion. Blink


Exactly.

It happens that in this game there are players ( usually gankers ) that seem to show off what they do claiming that what they do is special and that they "are creating content".

No, they aren't and they are not special at all, they are playing the game exactly as everyone else.


So we are going to ignore the fact that CCP also calls it player made content?


Perpetuating a fallacy does not make it any less a fallacy Blink

The main article was titled: EVE Online's Fountain War - Prelude to the biggest PVP battle in gaming's history. What eve players call "content" rest of the world calls a PVP battles or player conflict.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1004 - 2016-08-04 09:54:10 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:


Perpetuating a fallacy does not make it any less a fallacy Blink

The article was titled: EVE Online's Fountain War - Prelude to the biggest PVP battle in gaming's history. What eve players call "content" rest of the world calls a PVP battles or player conflict.


So far its only two of you not calling it content.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1005 - 2016-08-04 09:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
baltec1 wrote:

So far its only two of you not calling it content.


So hop on the idiot train?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1006 - 2016-08-04 09:59:15 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:


So hop on the idiot train?


Well so far you have less support for your view than the flat earth society.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1007 - 2016-08-04 10:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
I don't require support to prove my point, the dictionary and the rest of the gaming community does that for me.

The eve community overused the word to the point were it has become a slang term for PVP or a general aggressive action. We know what is meant when eve players use the word content but that doesn't mean they are correct.

Anyway, we can argue this all day if you like but it's pointless and off topic... Sticking with my original point, i quit the game when i am bored of the content ccp provide not because of the activities the players enable me to participate in.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1008 - 2016-08-04 10:19:13 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
I don't require support to prove my point, the dictionary and the rest of the gaming community does that for me.

The eve community overused the word to the point were it has become a slang term for PVP or a general aggressive action. We know what is meant when eve players use the word content but that doesn't mean they are correct.


Its always been used for sandbox games.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1009 - 2016-08-04 10:30:42 UTC
No really but whatever, let's move on.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1010 - 2016-08-04 10:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Rek Seven wrote:
I don't require support to prove my point, the dictionary and the rest of the gaming community does that for me.

The eve community overused the word to the point were it has become a slang term for PVP or a general aggressive action. We know what is meant when eve players use the word content but that doesn't mean they are correct.

Look...the over-use of the word "content" around here bugs me...but I already linked the dictionary definition of the word "content" a few pages ago in this thread - and explained that your position is also ridiculous. *everything in the game - player made or CCP made - is content*.

It may not be "good" content. It may even be "bad" content. Those are opinions that people can form about the content...but you really can't argue that at its most basic level it *is* content.

You want to compare it to other games? Fine. Lets take one I'm somewhat familiar with and have heard a lot of friends talking about over the past couple of years: League of Legends. Do you know what the #1 response I get from someone when I ask them what they think of the game is? They don't talk about the gameplay, they don't talk about the mechanics...They talk about the *insanely toxic community of ***players*** in the game*. The actions and attitudes of *players* are a very large part of the "content" of most games - particularly when speaking of player experiences in them rather than just writing a box advertisement...

So seriously...just give it up already...it is unquestionably "content". If you think it is "bad" content? Good for you - avoid it as much as you can...but it won't make it leave the game.


Rek Seven wrote:
Anyway, we can argue this all day if you like but it's pointless and off topic... Sticking with my original point, i quit the game when i am bored of the content ccp provide not because of the activities the players enable me to participate in.

If you limit yourself to the PvE content provided by CCP, you won't be playing EVE long...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1011 - 2016-08-04 10:39:08 UTC
And baltec...

Loyd is correct, you do know what you are talking about.

And I don't even disagree with you on *most* topics, at a fundamental level.

But you do get carried away in some of your examples here I've noticed...And you like to exaggerate data to make it lean more heavily the direction you want it to - even when it already supports your point for the most part.

If you nitpick and point out every little flaw in everyone else's examples, analogies, and statistics....You should be prepared for people to return the favour and nitpick exaggerations/mistakes you make in presenting your own data. "Turnabout is fair play" and all that.

Anyway, I'll *try* to stop being so pedantic myself and let you stay "on topic" in so far as that is possible here (given that the thread hasn't been on the OP's topic for a few pages now...)

carry on P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1012 - 2016-08-04 10:48:38 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
and explained that your position is also ridiculous. *everything in the game - player made or CCP made - is content*.


I'll stop you there. I have made it clear that i do not agree with this so it's pointless to continue. I can accept that players want to use a word incorrectly, i'm just pointing out that the word is being used incorrectly. So just accept that.

It's like arguing that a swimming pool full of water is actually a swimming pool full of liquid. Technically both are right but the guy who said it is full of water is more right.Roll

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1013 - 2016-08-04 11:07:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So we are going to ignore the fact that CCP also calls it player made content?

Not taking sides here. Just pointing that in many circumstances players agree that CCP's opinion is wrong.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1014 - 2016-08-04 11:23:32 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
The eve community overused the word to the point were it has become a slang term for PVP or a general aggressive action. We know what is meant when eve players use the word content but that doesn't mean they are correct.

Where did you get this narrow understanding from?

The use of the word 'content' is just a convention in Eve. It doesn't need to match some dictionary definition and certainly doesn't apply to just pvp. There is a lot of content in the game, generated by players that has absolutely nothing at all to do with pvp (ie. shooting kind of pvp).

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1015 - 2016-08-04 11:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Rek Seven wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
and explained that your position is also ridiculous. *everything in the game - player made or CCP made - is content*.


I'll stop you there. I have made it clear that i do not agree with this so it's pointless to continue. I can accept that players want to use a word incorrectly, i'm just pointing out that the word is being used incorrectly. So just accept that.

It's like arguing that a swimming pool full of water is actually a swimming pool full of liquid. Technically both are right but the guy who said it is full of water is more right.Roll


To continue your own analogy - The key difference here is that *you* have not been arguing that both are technically right. You haven't even been arguing that the swimming pool is full of water. You've been wasting all of your time arguing that the swimming pool is *NOT* full of liquid.

And as you say - the swimming pool *is* full of liquid. There may be better words for it - but the word liquid is *not wrong*...And it is ridiculous for you to keep arguing that it is wrong just because there may be better words to use...

edit: Particularly when you can't even supply any better words to fill the same role...

Basically you heard somebody saying the swimming pool is full of liquid...and you've spent several pages arguing and trying to convince him that "NO no no no no it isn't full of liquid...its full of...um....that other thing....But DEFINITELY NOT LIQUID!!!"

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1016 - 2016-08-04 11:28:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
T2 fit which is correct, do I have to explain every bit of detail to people like you Roll So much for having a PhD, is it in being stupid...

What would be better is if you just don't lie.

Sure, I should have studied being stupid. You would have been a gold mine of data.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1017 - 2016-08-04 11:43:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:

Basically you heard somebody saying the swimming pool is full of liquid...and you've spent several pages arguing and trying to convince him that "NO no no no no it isn't full of liquid...its full of...um....that other thing....But DEFINITELY NOT LIQUID!!!"


So if the pool is full of oil instead of water, you don't think that is an important distinction to make? Roll

Your logic is flawed and you miss the point. If there is a specific word for a specific thing then there is no reason to use a general word for that thing and to argue other wise is idiotic. If i want ten oranges and 5 apples, I don't ask my greengrocer for 15 fruit... which is essentially what you are saying i should do.

Dirty Forum Alt wrote:

edit: Particularly when you can't even supply any better words to fill the same role...


I provided several examples of better/specific terms: PVP, player conflict, a fight, a gank, war, hunting...

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1018 - 2016-08-04 11:52:16 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
[quote=Rek Seven]
Basically you heard somebody saying the swimming pool is full of liquid...and you've spent several pages arguing and trying to convince him that "NO no no no no it isn't full of liquid...its full of...um....that other thing....But DEFINITELY NOT LIQUID!!!"


So if the pool is full of oil instead of water, you don't think that is an important distinction to make? Roll

Your logic is flawed and you miss the point. If there is a specific word for a specific thing then there is no reason to use a general word for that thing and to argue other wise is idiotic. If i want ten oranges and 5 apples, I don't ask my greengrocer for 15 fruit... which is essentially what you are saying i should do.

Actually had you read my post a few pages back on the subject you would have noticed that I made the exact point you are now trying to make.

But it isn't the point *you* have been arguing. Re-read your own posts, I don't think you remember what you actually said...Because you've spent the past few pages arguing with the grocer that he doesn't have any fruit - and doing so in front of the orange and apple displays...

If your point was that they were correct, but vague - and that they should use more precise wording...Then you should have said it. Not argued that their word was "wrong".

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1019 - 2016-08-04 11:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:

If your point was that they were correct, but vague - and that they should use more precise wording...Then you should have said it. Not argued that their word was "wrong".



They are correct in the same sense as saying the cup is full of atoms, instead of the cup is full of coffee. to me this is wrong.

Rek Seven wrote:
It's strange how eve player think they create content by simply playing the game. Maybe it's just a lack of vocabulary...

Players create actions, activities or opportunities but not content. The only people who great content in EVE are the developers.

For me it is important to make the distinction because I have just cancelled my subscription and was asked to give a reason why - I selected "lack of content". This is not me saying there are not enough players doing things in game, it is me saying "I am bored with what CCP has put in the game".

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1020 - 2016-08-04 11:59:10 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:

If your point was that they were correct, but vague - and that they should use more precise wording...Then you should have said it. Not argued that their word was "wrong".



Like i already did here you mean...

Rek Seven wrote:
It's strange how eve player think they create content by simply playing the game. Maybe it's just a lack of vocabulary...

Players create actions, activities or opportunities but not content. The only people who great content in EVE are the developers.

For me it is important to make the distinction because I have just cancelled my subscription and was asked to give a reason why - I selected "lack of content". This is not me saying there are not enough players doing things in game, it is me saying "I am bored with what CCP has put in the game".


And now you are back to saying that it is *not* a form of content at all...Make up your mind...

Let me re-translate that for you using your pool analogy:

Quote:
It's strange how EVE players think that they can add "liquid" to the pool simply by pouring water into the pool. Maybe it's just a lack of vocabulary.

Players add water, but not liquid! The only people who create liquid in EVE are the developers.


Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? And why people take offense at it?

Seriously...



I mean I get what you *mean* - I really do...but you are using the word "wrong" in the same vague, misleading, and borderline incorrect sense in which the people you are arguing with are using the word "content".... It is quite ironic really...but also kind of annoying. So stop it...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)