Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't see the point of assembled ships not being able to be put inside (ordinary) cargo bays when this obstacle can be removed by contracting your ship to your alt. Furthermore, having to place a ship inside a courier package is a pointless, annoying and time-consuming step that adds nothing of value to the gameplay. Therefore I think that ships should be able to be placed inside cargo bays, assuming same rules are followed as when placing them inside ship maintenance bays or courier contracts.

Bowhead just allows a larger number to be moved at once. All he's asking for is to remove the need to have an alt (or a friend within walking distance that you can smack over the head if he tries stealing your ship) to use a normal cargo bay.

"what is a bowhead or any capital ship ever"

Do i win?

Okay raphael is my main cargohauler (and currently only subbed character) and i'll give you the toptip

A) a bowhead is actually more tanky as a shieldship then as a hullship if you apply appropriate boosts and OH the midslots.

B) you can move a bowhead solo fi you arent a braindead idiot. i have done so through uesama and niarja with some regularity during US timezones and EU timezones both

C) i tend to just load a leopard or travel fit interceptor into the hold and double back for my fenrir or a mastodon if i need too

D) Bowheads are alot sturdier then freighters since when they were being proposed the incursion community (for whom they were designed Thanks Mike) was all "but you expect us to move our Overpriced battleships in a platform that has less ehp then a single one of the battleships, this seems silly".

E) "less tedious" and "easier" also mean "much more abusable" and removing diversity means that the reason-d-aitre of the bowhead and capital ships becomes less useful. There is a tool for what you want, why not just use it? It's not that hard to do...

I have mine fit for a half and half approach, rigged for warpspeed and slotted for shield buffer tank.

EDIT: Or you can just red frog the ships/modules you need moved...

Like Baltec said. Use a bowhead.

The point is to provide depth and variety to the game. It adds value by making people choose what to train, what to fly, how to plan and position assets, etc. EVE is about choices and the results of those choices.

I'd be in favor of a right-click option to "shrink-wrap this ship" so it can be carried in a regular freighter.

I'd also be in favor of a partial-repackage option so a ship can be repackaged to a smaller and non-functional size but NOT lose its fittings or rigs (it returns to its original state, pre-fitted, when you right-click and "assemble" it).

But keep in mind, you can currently do this by contracting it to an alt and shrink-wrapping it that way, and CCP can easily declare this to be an exploit and ban you for it, if they suddenly decide that this is an exploit.

Put a shuttle in the cargo bay and fly the ship to its destination. Fly the shuttle back.

Obviously you never use stuff like ingame autopilot route since that dumbs down the game. Instead you pick random system to jump into in hopes you will eventually reach your destination since that is the only proper hardcore way to move around. You also never use multibuy since that's another dumbing down of the game, as it removes all fun from fitting your ships. You even delete your boot.ini from time to time since it brings you back the memories of when EVE was MMO that only tough elitist boys played!

See, I can play the strawman game too. Should we continue?

They are good, I'm not disputing that. I'm debating the logic of the game not letting me put an assembled ship inside a cargo bay when I can avoid this obstacle by placing them inside a courier package.