EVE General Discussion

I for one changed my fitting habits when that DCU change hit.

But on topic of freighters (because we really can't seem to talk about anything else these days), the EHP is still lower than an Orca and considerably lower than a capital ship. Yet it IS a capital ship.

Both you and Drac sure cry a lot so I'm thinking everything is fine in EvE. "back in the good old days my 2 mil destroyer could elite PvP a 260 mil exhumer in under 20 sec" -- surely you have to realise how entitled that sounds? Oh gosh, darn, look at all these nerfs! We need an additional alt to keep an unconsequential point on a capital ship. And they improved the tank on said capital ship to double that of a battleship to boot, yipes! People are even complaining about us exploitlooting without suspect flag. Does nobody think of us poor gankers? We barely turn a profit anymore even though we can still afford to shoot empty triple bulkhead freighters for lulz.

I smell entitlement boys. All this has been studies extensively, corrective measures were taken. You cannot adjust balance between two opposing sides without affecting the gameplay for either one. What happened to "adapt or die"? Bears have adapted: they fit their bulkheads, most don't AFK, they'll fly tank over yield... this is what you wanted, no?

You can now reap the rewards of your efforts by stripmining highsec in high-yield Hulks, and blowing up the competition when they dare to swap their skiffs and procurers back to macks. By forcing everyone to fly triple bulkhead freighters, you could turn a tidy profit by hauling more cargo faster in expanded hold fit warp speed accelerated freighters. ... or you can just keep harping on about how everyone flies tanky barges nowadays.

The wars are not a CCP provided mechanic as in WoW. They just happen and can take on a variety of forms and it is not just a temporary bit of destruction that once done nobody notices. In EVE it can be permanent. Have you looked at the sov map at all? They change, in fact there is a video on youtube of Verite's sov map over time which is very interesting to watch. Players make all sorts of agreements that you never see in a game like WoW. OTEC, B0tlord, etc. Alliances between coalitions ebb and flow over time.

Does CODE. make content for me? Probably. I do invention and I have no idea how many, if any, of all the light neutron blaster IIs my invention alts have produced have ended up on a CODE. catalyst. And even if none of them did, the fact that those CODE. catalysts end up getting killed by CONCORD means it effects the market....which effects my invention business.

And by the same token my invention activity effects CODE. and even those they gank. By adding to the market I help ensure that the market for light neutron blaster IIs is thick--i.e. there are lots of them for CODE. and others to buy.

Just because you are unaware of these things and do not want to learn about them does not mean they do not exist.

So yeah, players are the primary content generators in this game. And yeah, I simply play a game...and help generate content.

It's strange how eve player think they create content by simply playing the game. Maybe it's just a lack of vocabulary...

Players creat actions, activities or opportunities but not content. The only people who greate content in EVE are the developers.

For me it is important to make the distinction because I have just cancelled my subscription and was asked to give a reason why - I selected "lack of content". This is not me saying there are not enough players doing things in game, it is me saying "I am bored with what CCP has put in the game".

That's a very narrow definition of "content" that you follow.

In my mind, that's like discontinuing your subscription to a newspaper because the news isn't interesting.

KB

That same catalyst will solo any 250 mil t2 or t3 cruiser. The one and only reason it worked was because miners fitted no tank at all.



CCP forced them into pre tanked barges, miners still do nothing to protect themselves.

Fit them like miners fitted their ships and you will.

Actually, I don't think it's losing its meaning.
We all assign a different meaning to what "content" is.

We might need to decide what content officially is for EvE, or at least come to some agreement.

CCP, CSM... make it happen

--Gadget

Then shoot them. With my blessings- godspeed!
Working as intended, that.

This, however, is taking us away from the "CCP is fitting their ships for them" complaint or the "but they keep nerfing my playstyle". Are you telling me the targets are still there and therefore that playstyle is still valid? Then we are in agreement. Nothing to see here, move along.

Well, I mean....as a word it has meaning...

But I'm not sure anybody throwing it around here really knows the meaning...

On the one hand - obviously everything *in* the game is the literal *content* of the game - and this naturally includes everything done by every player at any time....So it is ridiculous to state that things players do don't "create content"....

But on the other hand....*everything* that *every* player does is the literal content of the game... That doesn't make it *good* content or *meaningful* content. I mean **** the afk miners chewing their asteroids are still "creating content" in a very literal sense...it is just dull, boring, meaningless content... So acting like you are some special snowflake by "creating content" in whatever unique way you do so is equally ridiculous...


It is just a word... A very broad, generic word... It doesn't have the deep meaning that people seem to assign to it...

And over-use is generally bad for any word in this context. People try to replace the actual meaning of the word with their perceived/desired deeper/alternate meaning... And it makes it hard for people not intimately familiar with the ongoing discussion to understand what they are saying (and that is before you even consider that many of the people don't even use English as their primary language)...