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None of this necessitates at change of mechanics and requires only letting new players know about things like the Eve Uni Wiki and other sources of information.

And what have you got? Oh yeah, nothing besides some anecdotes.

You are about to take Dinsdale's crown.

Thank you for displaying your ignorance of statistics.

And again, you have literally, nothing. No data, no analysis, no summary statistics, nothing...you have literally **** all.

Keep telling us that nothing trumps something.

If the data and analysis showed that ganking was causing new players to leave the game I'd be open to ideas on how to mitigate that problem. But it doesn't. And I doubt CCP is wiling to cling to a view that would mean a loss of revenues and profits. Sure maybe they would, but you'd better have a good narrative for that.

Right now the other side has nothing, and I mean nothing. No data. No analysis. They can't even be arsed to go to something like zkill and pull data.

I have no sympathy for them. They are a classic example of what is known as rent seeking in economics. Arguing for special snowflake consideration. My view is literally: screw them and the horse they rode in on. The game has been buffed, and buffed, and buffed in their favor. Changes to drone poo, changes to loot reprocessing, changes to mineral requirements, the venture, and yet here they are whining like a bunch of petulant 3 year olds.

Edit:
In terms of ganking, we have the following:

An increase in CONCORD response times.
Removal of insurance for when CONCORD in on a KM.
Freighters have been given low slots to offer fitting choices.

And yet...here they are whining about players who are, literally, stupid. Putting cargo expanders on a freighter and then filling it with cargo worth billions and billions of ISK. Not even using a scout to see if there are Bad Guys™ on the other side of a gate.

We have a pile of data showing how infrequent ganks can be if you are simply prudent.

But here we have people, literally, arguing for imprudence. Go ahead, be stupid and CCP will make it okay.

Here is my agenda: Don't be stupid.

That's it. Will it assure you you'll never lose a ship? No. But it will significantly reduce the likelihood.

Stop being stuck on stupid.

Now, tell me why wanting people not to be stuck on stupid is bad.....

Regarding the idea of gaining new long-term players CCP has a bit of a problem. On the one hand their promo works and invite incentives are pretty good at drumming up interest, on the other hand because centrally all events in the game are conspired by players as groups or individuals and CCP can't mess with that without breaking something new players are at the mercy of the existing playerbase - from the perspective that they either find an engaging group to join or find an engaging enough activity that provides rewards acute enough to make the activity worth doing, or their trial expires often with people having quit before the expiry.

Some of us here have been around for a very long time, has CCP exhausted its options? Dev led training schools didn't last. Jesus features didn't work. "I was there" and "This is EVE" didn't really work either. It boils down to some very small parts regarding wish fulfillment and capacity for growth. I'm not going to offer any ideas here. I think first we need to look at the problem and why it's a problem and then think of solutions.

Core issue: players don't convert from trials to 2+ year subs often enough.
Evidence: some 8 million trial accounts renamed/delisted during the mass purge event.
Causes of these failures to convert: ??

@Teckos. There is one fatal flaw with the example statistic that people use about ganked players and player retention and that is that it can also be explained by "survivorship bias".

From Wikipedia:

Survivorship bias, or survival bias, is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that "survived" some process and inadvertently overlooking those that did not because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to false conclusions in several different ways.

This is not to say that CCP are incorrect, it would need more data to determine the answer either way. So your point may be valid or it may not, but the argument based on ganking and retention needs a it more work to be conclusive.

How much more?

We looked at the largest freight organisation in eve, CCP looked at a huge number of new accounts and zkill all say the exact same thing. Ganking is very very rare. Where exactly is the evidence to say ganking is a problem?

Undo the changes that have removed content from highsec?

Nah, they want free easier ganking just to gain more money, to play for free forever is not enough...

For me personally I have most of my chars under wardec....

I'm lucky I live in other places than hisec, but I see a drastical reduction of online corpmates everytime there is a wardec and they are absolutely too frequent even if I belong to little corps...


wardecs + ganking = CCP loses players in my opinion, buth they seem to care zero so....