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Why is there no warning when you join warfare space?

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Tashi Neruu
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-08-01 15:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tashi Neruu
Why is there no warning when you join warfare space?
so i spent an hour and a lot of isk to join the caldari militia, but someone suggested i joina different militia.

so headed to join a different corp and i was immediately killed on my way there.

i know its my fault but this game is DUMB sometimes because how are new player supposed to remember every rule? are we supposed to waste our time learning everything the hard way when trying new things? and there is no warning that you will be destroyed we are supposed to KNOW what we are doing at ALL times?

THANKS EVE ONLINE I REALLY ENJOY THIS
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2016-08-01 15:49:32 UTC
Don't drink 'n' fly.

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This is the law of ship progression!

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2016-08-01 16:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
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i know its my fault but this game is DUMB sometimes because how are new player supposed to remember every rule? are we supposed to waste our time learning everything the hard way when trying new things? and there is no warning that you will be destroyed we are supposed to KNOW what we are doing at ALL times?

The point is that you are not supposed to.

Speaking as a player from 2009, even I cannot remember more than half of the innumerable facets of the game with more than so-so certainty (it does get better after a few drinks though... at least... that is my perception anyways).

This almost guarantees that mistakes will be made, lessons will be taught, and a degree of "unpredictability" will always be there.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#4 - 2016-08-01 17:44:57 UTC
You aren't safe in your own space while in FW either.

I've killed quite a few people that were missioning in corps that were in FW or doing other stuff.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-08-01 19:59:06 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
You aren't safe in your own space while in FW either.

I've killed quite a few people that were missioning in corps that were in FW or doing other stuff.


Sounds like fun Shocked
Cade Windstalker
#6 - 2016-08-01 20:09:18 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Quote:

i know its my fault but this game is DUMB sometimes because how are new player supposed to remember every rule? are we supposed to waste our time learning everything the hard way when trying new things? and there is no warning that you will be destroyed we are supposed to KNOW what we are doing at ALL times?

The point is that you are not supposed to.

Speaking as a player from 2009, even I cannot remember more than half of the innumerable facets of the game with more than so-so certainty (it does getter better after a few drinks though... at least... that is my perception anyways).

This almost guarantees that mistakes will be made, lessons will be taught, and a degree of "unpredictability" will always be there.


All of this is accurate, but if there's actually no warning or explanation of Factional Warfare when joining it/joining a corp that's participating then that is maybe one more thing that CCP could do to make the game more new player friendly.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#7 - 2016-08-01 20:30:46 UTC
Joining FW tab tells you 'This comes with specific rules of engagement' in the second paragraph.
The first paragraph tells you who you are at war with if you join in the current station.

Clicking on the rules of engagement tells you that you can be shot at any time.

This is a simple case of lack of common sense and lack of basic reading.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#8 - 2016-08-01 23:23:39 UTC
It tells you on the map where the empires hold sov. Regardless of that, there is no where you cant be hunted by the enemy faction. There's a guy who camps hek undock despite being amarr militia.

Its not like the game expects you to know, but a bit of common sense should tell you to check your route and stay frosty.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-08-02 00:34:41 UTC
Tashi Neruu wrote:
Why is there no warning when you join warfare space?
so i spent an hour and a lot of isk to join the caldari militia, but someone suggested i joina different militia.

so headed to join a different corp and i was immediately killed on my way there.

i know its my fault but this game is DUMB sometimes because how are new player supposed to remember every rule? are we supposed to waste our time learning everything the hard way when trying new things? and there is no warning that you will be destroyed we are supposed to KNOW what we are doing at ALL times?

THANKS EVE ONLINE I REALLY ENJOY THIS


What country do you live in? Okay now tell me what countries would deny your passport if you tried to visit them. Bet you couldn't do it without looking it up first.

Eve is not a game, it is a simulation of life. Life is complicated and learning things takes time and effort. Just because your character skill is over 100m doesn't mean you actually know how to play. It's unfortunate you look at this negatively instead of a learning experience. There is this kind of information out there, you just have to look or ask.

Fly safe in the future o7
Tashi Neruu
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-08-02 12:08:18 UTC
i guess eve isnt designed to be fun its designed to chop your hand off any chance it gets
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#11 - 2016-08-02 12:15:54 UTC
Tashi Neruu wrote:
i guess eve isnt designed to be fun its designed to chop your hand off any chance it gets


Eve is a challenging game, full of dangers. We enjoy that it tries to kill us and take our stuff. All the good games do.

Hello kitty is that way ->

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#12 - 2016-08-02 13:19:52 UTC
Tashi Neruu wrote:
i guess eve isnt designed to be fun its designed to chop your hand off any chance it gets

The others have been shall we say a little harsh in their responses but I agree with them in principal.

There is significant information in the game on Faction Warfare and most of that is given when you sign on, if you bother to read the information provided. See unlike virtually every other game in existence EvE is not one where you can click OK and not read those little pop up information windows when you start into a new portion of the game.

EvE is also a game that rewards those who seek out information from sources outside the game and CCP likes it that way. CCP like to have players involved in the game an even refuses to add certain features to the game because doing so would render the efforts of the player base useless perhaps the most notable of these are the fitting tools EvE HQ, EFT and PYFA. From that perspective less than a minute with a search engine yielded these results.

EvE University Faction Warefare Page.
Brave introduction to faction warfare.
A Reddit article on faction warfare for dummies (yes their title not mine).

For a map of EvE and what is going on with faction warfare space, nul sov or virtually anything else in the game of EvE there is Dot Lan maps.

In the end while I understand your concerns and your frustrations you just learned the single most important lesson in EvE, search the internet for the information the game will not give you.
afk phone
Repo Industries
#13 - 2016-08-02 13:45:06 UTC
Tashi Neruu wrote:
i guess eve isnt designed to be fun its designed to chop your hand off any chance it gets



You're immortal. If your hand gets chopped off - self destruct and you get:
1 - fresh clone (w/ all hands included free of charge)
2 - free access to all previously acquired skills / skill points
3 - a FREE SHIP (yeah - I know right??)
4 - 1 tritanium

That seems more than fair to me.

As a note to the OP - losses in this game are real(ish). You actually do lose game stuff when you make mistakes. Other games you don't, so click through and then complain is OK. In eve, once your stuff goes poof - it's gone - (hunt for red October voice) "Click through is possible, but not recommended"

Dust yourself off, take a deep breath, keep going - that's how you win eve!
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#14 - 2016-08-02 14:34:56 UTC
You made the mistake of going Gallente. Never go Gallente.

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#15 - 2016-08-02 14:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arya Regnar
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
You aren't safe in your own space while in FW either.

I've killed quite a few people that were missioning in corps that were in FW or doing other stuff.


Sounds like fun Shocked

You have no idea lol.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/46397422/ This loki was in FW so we joined enemy FW corps and baited him on a gal fw sigil so he aggressed.
Related.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-08-02 21:23:50 UTC
Tashi Neruu wrote:
Why is there no warning when you join warfare space?
so i spent an hour and a lot of isk to join the caldari militia, but someone suggested i joina different militia.

so headed to join a different corp and i was immediately killed on my way there.

i know its my fault but this game is DUMB sometimes because how are new player supposed to remember every rule? are we supposed to waste our time learning everything the hard way when trying new things? and there is no warning that you will be destroyed we are supposed to KNOW what we are doing at ALL times?

THANKS EVE ONLINE I REALLY ENJOY THIS


So you are at war but you don't know with whom? gj.
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2016-08-02 21:55:49 UTC
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-08-02 22:45:20 UTC
Tashi Neruu wrote:
i guess eve isnt designed to be fun its designed to chop your hand off any chance it gets

When you voluntarily stick your hand in the saw, sure.

There's nothing compulsory about joining FW. As a new players, it's totally avoidable. You don't need to know the rules of it, it remember all the things about it.

However, with everything Eve, if you make the decision to expand into a new area of gameplay, then it's your responsibility to understand what that means and what the rules are.

But only at the point from when you voluntarily make that part of your game. You are never required to.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2016-08-03 00:11:11 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
You aren't safe in your own space while in FW either.

I've killed quite a few people that were missioning in corps that were in FW or doing other stuff.


Sounds like fun Shocked

You have no idea lol.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/46397422/ This loki was in FW so we joined enemy FW corps and baited him on a gal fw sigil so he aggressed.
Related.

holy hell, all that and a t2 plate
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#20 - 2016-08-03 07:34:30 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

holy hell, all that and a t2 plate

Faction plates used to be crap back then if I'm correct.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

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