EVE General Discussion

For the past few weeks, the GD has been filled with so many threads complaining about suicide ganking in highsec.

For the sake of variation, I figured I'll tell the story of my recent wardecs and show the issues the "other side" faces and why suicide ganking makes sense with the current mechanics, opposed to wardecs.

So we are a fairly small corp. I started with a few wardecs on some local mining corps, just to give people a feel for hunting down things, using d-scan, local and such.

This is the results of wardeccing 3 corporations.

The members of corp one left after taking some losses and joined NPC corps.

The members of corp two just left and joined NPC corps. after observing that we were rather active and wouldn't mind camping some systems to disrupt their activities.

A few members of corp three have left corp to join another player corp and keeps doing what they have been doing. The rest are just not logging in.

Using suicide ganks is just much more effective to disrupt player activity, compared to wardecs. Wardecs are still fine, when done on much bigger corporations or when done to take down structures. But they are basically useless to create conflict between smaller corporations. Our wardec on corp two was not part of the original plan, but was done because they were talking **** after we stole some of their jetcanned ore. They were very confident that they would crush us if we wardecced them, so we did. Their resolve faded quickly I suppose and the mechanics provide no consequence for them creating a corp they can't defend.

The point of this post is to show, that the aggressors also face issues in highsec and that staying safe is rather easy. Only the lazy, greedy or oblivious will get killed in highsec. So before you go on a rant about how suicide ganking is unfair or how wardecs are unbalanced in favor of the aggressor, maybe you should consider being the aggressor and see how the other side of the fence feels. Highsec is not supposed to be a completely safe space. It is just space with different engagement rules than low, null or WH. But as it is now, highsec is very close to being completely safe.

I'm not here to preach solutions, since I honestly don't know how to fix highsec. I just wanted a little variation to all the threads whining about how highsec needs more safety.

You should post this as a reply to one of the whine threads you mention, rather than your own thread. Because you're just re-igniting a discussion that's already been locked 3 times by the moderators.

And, to continue your coin analogy, there is no "balance" in EVE. Any gameplay mechanic that's initially "balanced" by the devs is quickly min-maxed by both sides, to the point where the outcome is a coin toss. Wardecs are an example: you're doing everything you can to get fights, and they're doing everything they can to avoid them. Suicide ganking is the same: you'll have "dealing with Concord" down to a science, you'll have the ships and the fleet setup perfect, and it won't be a roam looking for targets, it'll be more like a well-executed assassination that you'll have to plan to perfection.

Everything gets like that: insta-lock vs. insta-warp, cloaky vs. interceptor ctrl-tripleclick, and so on.

So it's not laziness, greed, or lack of attention. When your gank is planned to perfection so the target doesn't have a chance, the target's chance really depends on luck more than anything. You will gank everyone who plays their mining or transport casually, 100% they won't escape. Not because they're lazy or greedy, but because it's a game that they're not playing as OCD as you do.

Triggered.

Just lock it down and throw away the keys.

we have been having this conversation here for months now

I found your problem:

"issues in highsec"

If the issue is highsec, don't be there.

I can solve both sides of the coin issues....

1) Create a couple of constellations per race for newbies only
2) Make the rest of eve lowsec and null
3) Profits!

Pvers complain about be ganked...

....Ive pved in null for better than 2 years without a single pve loss. Seems like that solution works for being ganked.

PVPers complain about not being able to find targets...

... Everything in null that isnt in my alliance is a target and as a bonus you dont have to pay to shoot at them....seems like i found the solution to that problem.


Conclusion: People need to GTFO of high sec and quit complaining not being able to gank to much gank, to many wardecs not enough war targets... All your problems, no matter what they are in the new eden universe would literally be solved by just leaving the newbie pool and getting in the big boy pool called null.

This guy gets it right. In the end of the day, all highsec gankers and mass wardeccers are just as much carebears as the people they're preying on. Actually, I won't even do actual carebears justice by putting the in one line with the those folks - the former admit they aren't fit for PvP, at least.

Highsec is a broken place, full of faulty game mechanics. It distracts less confident players with its safety and, more importantly, eats up a lot of developer resources. If those pathetic self-proclaimed "elite pvpers" can't man up and play the real game - well, sucks for them, but the game shouldn't suffer because of them.

But PvPers are paying customers as well. So, we don't care about them? Why are PvPers less viable a subscriber than a carebear?

Again - plex and subscription are both hard currency revenue to CCP. After all someone bought the plex with real money to sell for ISK in game. CCP doesn't care how you sub.

I really wish people could quit thinking they are superior and deserve special treatment for paying with real money instead of ISK. And I pay for three accounts with real money.