Wormholes

Just going to post this here as I feel it would be of some interest to some wormholers.

Clone Swapping and Citadels. I humbly ask that the CSM push CCP for the ability to have more than one clone inside a citadel.

Right now you can only get 2 clones into a citadel. This means I can have 1 empty clone head for stuff that I know I am going to get podded doing (IE: Flying a dictor). And 1 Clone with a set of snake implants in for my other PVP stuffs. But I would also like to be able to have a Crystals set and a slave set. Yes I know I can stick them in another citadel and so on. But if all you PvP assets are in the your home citadel but you clones for the job at hand are not., Then you are kind of stuck so to speak.


Also the issue of when you do have 2 clones in 1 citadel (stations too) That when you try to "Jump Clone" away from the citadel,. You can destroy your implants just for doing so. To me that seems so silly and needs to be removed.

Thank you for reading.

Oddsodz

I agree with those who are worried about the IGB being removed. A simple example explains what kind of hassle awaits us: if a player has only 1 monitor, then he/she should prepare for Alt-Tab'ing all the time or splitting the display to accommodate both a game client and a browser. The same applies to other people who have multiple accounts (X) and multiple monitors (X) and the numbers (X) are equal. This is not something that will attract new pilots to the Wormhole space for sure.
All K-space pilots at least have something - the map that shows connections, gates, routes. So maybe CCP can invest (maybe even somehow hire those who created Siggy, Tripwire etc.) into an embedded into the game Wormhole mapping tool.

i completly forgot about this -
would be nice if this could be addressed in some way not sure how good stuff like overlays will be able to handle mapping tools.

No...

This is going to be such a clusterfuck, much like every other Wh townhall.

Ohh god i hope it gets recorded.

Remove shattered WHs or allow to anchor Citas in there. Remove C13.

Doubt I can make your session, but some off the cuff thoughts from a WH veteran.

A reason to field capitals in c5/c6 space again, other than just 'because we can'.

The changes to running PVE sites has had a huge impact (as I expected) on PVP content. Now people are using most/all of the mass of their static connections to put a site running fleet into their static wormhole, so when we inevitably roll into them (either their home, or their static), their options to ship up for a fight are limited/removed.

Previously, that same group deploying capitals had a 1-5 minute vulnerability window for us to force a fight. Now they have 6-8 seconds before the Rattlers MJD away, warp back home to either their tower or pop the static connection on the way out. Even if they wanted to fight, in some cases half of the mass of the WH is already gone by the time the Rattlers go home to reship.

Retain some of the changes:
- no hero dreading
- no spawn a wave and warp your capital away
- no bombing escalation waves
- no downtime respawns of escalation waves
- continue to force site completion

But return a large reward back into the capital escalation spawns. Simply not being able to farm them already limits the impact and cuts by 1/4th the potential income. What we have now has removed this playstyle and option and the entire wspace community is worse for it, both those who want to site this way, and those who like killing those who site this way. I agree it shouldn't be the only way, and the rattler fleets in the systems should remain viable, but it should be an economically viable option for those that want it.

Hell, get creative maybe. More open connections = more sleepers spawned? No open connections = less sleepers spawned. Reward the groups who use 10-15 pilots, in c5/c6 space and put big, shiney, immobile capitals on the field again.


Fix the FAX

A triage archon used to be hard to break. A FAX is a whole different ballgame. Yes of course there are fleets to do it, but the FAX is such a force multiplier that I personally find it stiffling for fights in wspace.


Ability to reduce the numbers in gangs

I'd love to see limitations on the amount of traffic through wormholes. Some restrictions about how large fleets (20+ ships) can transit wormholes. Some inherent delays (anathema as they are to good game play), or penalties. Maybe repurpose frigate wormholes to be 'small gang wormholes' and only allow 10 pilots through in any 5 minute period or something? Maybe a wormhole class (like shattered), that only allows x members from any single corp or alliance inside at a time? Something off the wall, to deliver a different gameplay experience.


Jove citadels in shattered space!

Anchor a single Jove Astrahaus in each shattered wormhole. The Jove need to move somewhere right? Or Sisters of Eve. Or some other faction. Make them thriving little mini Thera's, get people more familiar with actual wormhole living, rather than the fishbowl that Thera is without the need for large upfront investment. It will also work toward resolving the fact that sites in these systems pile up for months at a time and are never cleared down.

I'm going to also add to the issue of NOT being able to see the red dots or any other coloring of signatures especially when I am scanning down a sig. This I believe is a major draw back as far as scanning goes, and unless I scroll in really close then it's almost impossible to see them. I would also like to just listen in as well, thank you.

Asset Safety Mechanics for C1 Holes

Just to clear out this first, I´m not living in a C1 but in low Class too. We often had questions from small Hi Sec Corps which were thinking about joining J-Space. And the most common reason for them not to do it wasn´t even the fact of the high invest in assets, but the possibility to lose this invest very quickly.
C1 Space now is mostly used by PI Alts only which disappear and quit fast, if they see anything on the D-Scan. But its perfect for small Corps to learn about Wormhole Mechanics without having the greatest benefits of it. You can only bring in Medium sized ships, so even an orca must be build inside, the PVE income isn´t that high and they have only 1 static that always leads to K-Space I think.
Asset safety mechanics like they were originally discussed for WH´s could be a good reason for small corps just to try out living in J-Space.
For those who don´t know what I mean: The Idea is to allow only in C1 Holes that when a citadel is destroyed, the ships and Modules inside it, but not the citadel itself, will be delivered automatically to another citadel of the same corp and only in the same system. If there is no additional citadel you will have some days to set up a new one, otherwise assets will drop like loot at the position of the old citadel.


I don´t like them either, but they really are a good way for explorers, Ninja Gas miners and other daytrippers so I would leave them as they are. They don´t hurt any real WH resident. They´re just annoying.

Absolutely no! Massing Anoms in unused holes is the way PVE in C2 works. Doing sites or not in your home systems is just to make it interesting or not for others to visit you. But the main income is in leaving your home and do sites in your static. Mass Anom holes are very important for isk/h if you live in C2.

Absolutely yes! Nothing more to say.

I get where you are coming from but I'm not sure I agree. Incentivising behaviour works sometimes, but only where the incentive will overcome the alternative. Incentivising smaller fleets (either the way you suggest, or some other way) will not for one moment make someone leave a pilot behind if the pilot is available, which returns the N+1 mechanic that drives so many fights. And to reduce fleet numbers and break this N+1, what you need to do is have a reason and motivation to leave someone behind, sometimes.

Sometimes, you have to be rewarded to moving light and taking fewer numbers. Maybe you can transit the wh quicker. Maybe you use less mass. Maybe you get better boosts. Maybe you restrict the enemy numbers. Maybe your mods work better. I really am not sure. But, to break N+1 there must be a compelling reason to leave someone home, and that reason must be of greater benefit than bringing the extra pilot along.

Incentivisation can only do so much and at some point, you have to impose an actual mechanical limit on the larger fleet to keep this in balance, or every man will fly solo with a links alt. And by no means should you remove the ability of people to field large numbers, just make such deployment slower in some situations, in some fights or some sections of space.

Quick examples, for specific Shattered wormholes
- only 10 ships from any corp or alliance can pass through the entrance system in any 5 minute period.
OR
- only x mass out of the available total can be used in any 5 minute period