EVE General Discussion

Maybe, but the rewards are also much higher then HS mining. They are around 3 times higher so are the risk REALLY higher, if you include the much better intel? Eve is about risk vs reward and so a low income activity should involve lower risk.[/quote]


This thread was about less players or why there are less new players. If there is such an abundance of HS-AFK-miners why not spare anything under 6 Month? Some of CODE said they would gank everything in a venture: which vet is mining in a venture? Most likely none but noobs that can't afford anything else. It's the arrogance of vets which kill everything because they can. Farming noobs just for fun, even if you are loosing money, may be fun but is destructive to as a whole.
It's the same as Mittens STATING that the new tactic is "denying fun" and he doesn't get tarred and feathered by his corp. We are ALL here to have fun that's the reason why we are committing RL money and free time to this game. If everyones tactic is to deny everyone else fun, as the other one defines fun, this game will die.

You know what I have a problem with this post is the blatant display of gross entitlement.

When I started we did not have dedicated noob mining ships. Now, before some idiot comes along and says, stop complaining that you had it harder....

My point is that noob mining income has gotten buffed via a number of changes by CCP including the introduction of the venture. The price of tritanium and other HS minerals was **** when I was mining as a source of income.

So you have a buffed source of income and here you are still whining because once in a great while another player comes along and ganks you when you are not paying attention.

Yes but at the one end of the scale where some are demanding that HS be risk free, they are asking to have risk removed and be able to PLEX via mining (or whatever) with no chance of losing a ship. That would destroy EVE.

If Hauling or mining in HS was really that risky then people wouldn't be doing it....yet they are everywhere. Something doesn't compute...

CODE members are free to interact and enforce The Code as they see fit. Some are more hardcore than others. We all don't operate exactly the same. I personally try not to touch Vents that are "new" and actually let them know to change their damn ship name....sadly most don't even have local open.



That's a false dichotomy. It's not one thing or the other but rather ALL things, you know, as CCP intended. If CODE is so evil then why don't more come after us? HS needs threats (we're not the only ones BTW) just as it needs saviors...except sadly, most just ask CONCORD/Popo/CCP to help rather than doing it themselves.

How do you know this to be a factual statement?

Probably in a variety of ways. From other players talking about, by having been ganked, or not even learning it at all until they are not a new player and foolishly think that they can load up their freighter with 8 billion ISK worth of cargo and then get ganked.

Agreed, then the AFK players should not expect CCP to change the basis of the game to make their playstyle easier. It is possible to play AFK but it comes with a possible cost.

How are they going to get educated in there?

No they don't. Fortunately for CODE. and all other ganking groups, there are still plenty of imprudent and foolish freighter pilots around.

Maybe AG should focus on helping these pilots not be imprudent and foolish--i.e. try to contact them and warn them before bullets start flying.

What stops you from just pointing, shooting once, without killing him, and then telling him what he did wrong? You will loose your ship anyway and get nothing back.
But I don't think that this is the real problem. In the beginning you are totally on your own and don't get any guidelines what to do next. The gaming industry changed since 2006 and so the expectations change too. In other games you either have a class or story to go along. In eve you are kicked out and have to find your way and to top it you are told a lot of ways to make money (industry, research) that are just not fitting for a noob.

Dude I don't even bother with highsec belts, rookie ships, capsules, ventures, shuttles or whatever else people are flying unless I perceive them as a threat or an immediate target. I'll open fire on a suspect or criminal if I happen to run across one but you don't expect me to hug every venture along the way to make sure they are feeling okay mmm?

When I see a miner I also do not get this urge to kill it dead and club it till it unsubs. I've actually done just what you described on multiple occasions in nullsec: pointed them, shot them through shield, then ran off to assist friends who had tackled something far more interesting. Out of the kindness of my heart.

Did you know I've even reimbursed several obvious rookies (rifters, algos, a probe and a venture who was apparently unaware of the inner workings of drag bubbles) as soon as I glanced over the killmails and saw they must have took a wrong turn and wound up a little too far from Heimatar?

Nah man. Barking up the wrong tree here. When I do shoot someone completely out of their league I reimburse, open a convo and try to help them along and do you know what they do? They either close convo, start insulting me or put a bounty on my head hoping their merc friends will come show me the error of my ways. Only once did such a victim take my advice and thank me for it. ONCE.