EVE General Discussion

OH YEAH! I'M FINDING OUT ALL YA'LL SEXY TRIGGERS TODAY! LOLOLOL

Then you should already know order limits are not limiting...

305 per character times as many characters as you want to use...

Your change will only hurt the casual traders and new players.

But since you clearly read all the posts and thought through your reply very carefully, I assume you already knew that. So your goal is to remove all small-time traders and give the market over entirely to the large-scale traders and bots? Good to know.

Request denied.

So does your limit of only 1 order update per day only apply to players over a certain character age or sp threshhold then? Otherwise I'm not seeing how limiting a new player who can only put up a few market orders to 1 order update per day is going to help him, when his competition can update their order 305 times per day or more to out-bid him by 0.01 isk...

Right now he has an equal chance - you are saying we should take that away from him. How is that good for him?

Or they could just create a new player alt and take advantage of not being limited to 1 bump per day...

Also as previously stated most 0.01 isk orders aren't even bots. These non-bots are the ones who will be hurt by having to maintain a bunch of alts. Bots will actually gain an additional advantage as they don't care how many alts they have to log into...

I really don't think you understand how this system works...



Also - since when is it a good idea to *punish* people for putting a lot of time and effort into becoming good at something like trading, and to reward people with minimal time/effort invested? This just seems backwards to me...

Now i see your flaw. You are against equality of opportunity and for equality of outcome as you make such difference. The person with less changes to orders will not bankrupt, he will have to trade in bigger volumes. Besides such trading will greatly help producers. Specially those who lose from being ripped by intermediators that dont mind trading, they will be able to trade themselves and with better capabilities, and wont have to compete with hordes of players that do isk games. Younger players will have more possibilities and if you dont see logic behind it then I suggest you move on. Also bots are less of a burden and I do know how they work and I know that CCP does a good job catching them. Almost good.

Also it will make older traders innovate to outcompete younger players.

So you are *not* proposing this as a new idea - because someone recommended posting it in the ideas section and you said you didn't want to, it is just general discussion...

But you aren't willing to listen to anything anybody says unless they blindly support your idea...

And when people point out legitimate problems with your idea you just sweep them under the rug and tell them to go away...


So i can only presume you are trolling for the sake of trolling, and your thread will only go down-hill from here...

In presence of other limits, more limits are not as strong as few limits introduced into a limit-free concept.

Time zone thing is by far, the most versatile mechanic that can be added. Let us say Factional warfare affects by who can decide trading hours in certain regions. Something like that will be temporary and will have temporary effect on certain regional hubs. This can even stat as an experiment with econdary and terciary hubs. Again, you can put orders in region where you have no time to trade in actively. And when trading hours start your order wil be there hanging with forecasted prices as an example. There are many variables.

Now about the isk game. Only relatively young players will be able to change order's price more often. This means, even though you can change price be .01 isk, if you are an older player, your order will hang longer with that price and younger players will eb able to put another .01 isk right?

Now look, older players posses more wealth and thus are more able to increase a price unlike the realitvely young players. So when old trader puts up 10k + isk instead of .01 he eliminates all young players that cannot compete from doing that. Now this will promote difference on goods that are heavy weighters yet there are .01 isk gamers. So these small scale gamers at first will be starting at products for which 10k+ increase in price is madness, like minerals for example. And then as they get wealthier they progress onto bigger volumes with less small increases of price or more time to modify order where .01 isk doesnt work because all traders can shift price few times thus more chance that all traders will be able to buy or sel all their goods.

This follows the established way where older richer traders trade in areas where they have same level traders as them and newbies play with newbies in the small changes market sections. Seems legit? If something doesnt seem clear, pinpoint so that I can answer, or not. We ll see.

When company makes it as real as possible, it is hard not to ask for more. Unless you like shallow experience...
Such games are not very real to make them less hard than reality you try to escape but make them interesting enough to be entertained.

I represent a group of hi sec players who's sole purpose is to destroy each other over the right to make pot noodles in the sacred tea pot. As such, I have a problem with these trade hours. My group fights in hi sec from the end of downtime right up till it begins the next day. We fight in a small part of hi sec where we basically enjoy turning eve into our own strange first person shooter (hence the names Red vs Blue).

The problem with your time zone mechanic is that it screws our style of play. People need to purchase items from our local area constantly. Need a new ship quick, but it local. This occurs at all hours of the day. And we have traders who enjoy stocking our market. Each player tends to find a trading niche to fill. One may supply ammo, another hulls. Your proposal would screw over 3/4 of our traders because only one group would fit these hours leaving the rest screwed. Why should we give up our current style just to fit your desire? It seems to actually greatly limit our little market.

Now let's carry this further... I play mainly at night in the US. However at breakfast each morning, I can login and spend 10 minutes fixing orders. To meet your system I would have to make orders in one region and play in another which adds way too much travel time turning a fun game into a grind. Why?

I'm sorry but I do not think your time zone idea reflects the global nature of corps in eve. Many are strung out across all time zones. Limitng which zones get to play where seems to go against the idea of an open sand box. Why do it?

I see the OP has edited his first post to reflect his true intentions - his goal is to destroy "our game" - aka: EVE Online