EVE General Discussion

Except if you are a ganker loot scooping, you can point someone with no consequences, you can loot scoop for the risk of a noob ship, so I have to accept that gankers have it really easy? Yeah right, harsh dark gritty, tha's a total laugh...

Bumping is being adressed,
loot scooping requires two additional people to coordinate with [insert however many] required for the gank.
Its a non trivial fleet op.

CCP regularly slap the predators down, they also have to slap the prey from time to time too,
thay arent takang sides here theyre just habing a rough times lapping both of us equaly as hard.

bumping

No you don't. In fact, you completely misunderstand me. I am not saying people should not AFK mine, or over fill their freighter and autopilot around.

Here is what I am saying. Nice and simple.

IF you AFK mine or IF you over fill your freighter and do not take precautions....then you were imprudent and foolish and sometimes you get punished for that. People who come here and want to nerf that punishment are implicitly saying that being imprudent and foolish should be rewarded. People who gank are in essence correcting errors. Errors in judgement. They are showing other players the consequences of their actions.

I have used an analogy before and I'll use it again.

If you are over filling your freighter an not even using a scout let alone a webber....you are risk seeking. You are like the guy who gambles away everything he has in Vegas and is sitting on the curb wondering what happened....he was due for a win.

As for not wanting to engage in ship-to-ship PvP...that is just it. You cannot be sure of that in this game provided you actually undock. That is it. If you want to avoid, 100%, ship-to-ship PvP never ever undock. That is your only choice. People who say they do not want to engage in ship-to-ship PvP and want to undock are literally playing the wrong game. You are quite simply wrong if you think that is an option in this sandbox. If I am willing to accept the consequences of shooting you in a 1.0 system...I can shoot you. That is ship-to-ship PvP. Your desire to not have that type of play in this game is irrelevant.

Yeah, lets ignore all the consequences and costs up to that point.

Holy crap, that is one of the dumbest things I've read.

Yeah, their "content" shoots back outside of hisec

True, the wormhole-bears usually use orcas to move their billions of isk in easy loot from the low-sec WH exit to try to get it to a market hub... Or at least they did last time I lived in low-sec

That's because they use JF's to get everywhere instead. Because escorting Freighters was boring & tedious and too much work..... Hmmmm, yet they claim high sec players should do exactly what Null Sec players refused to and asked CCP for solutions so they didn't have to......

Sorry if I mis-analyzed your statement. I was working mostly off of 'tone' and that's hard to get in text. My apologies there.

As to this last part, no, just no. That interpretation of my comments applies taking what I was saying totally wrong.

While the statement about never undocking is technically correct, everyone knows that's functionally incorrect. You've said it yourself, if you know what you are doing in HiSec, for all intents and purposes you are pretty much 99.9999% safe. Can you shoot me in a 1.0 security system, certainly but you'll be dead before you've got my shields down and I'll still get to pick your corpse clean if I pop you once when Concord tackles you. That's not a brilliant way to give me your ships modules.

I wasn't talking about 100% safety, nobody was. I was talking about people with a PvE play style. We, as players, have a responsibility to the games that we like. In EVE, that responsibility comes in the form of respecting the sandbox and how other people want to play. I've never seen anyone advocate for a 100% safe gaming experience in space. Some people have mentioned methods it might be possible but the only place I can think of that it might apply would be in a rookie system with small ships.

It's really about players that want to play in a certain method for a certain reason. Haulers know they can be bumped and ganked, but hauling is a horrible profession with the insurance costs. Not only do they have to pay for what they lose, they lose the ship and generally get podded too. It's why it's freaking expensive to contract a hauler. It's also why I didn't put that in my example. Most of the ire is around the AFK miners. The haulers are usually pretty classy and know what they are in for.

I'm not arguing against your points Teckos, I do get them. I'm trying to get everyone to see how important each others play styles are to EVE. HiSec doesn't need to be 100% safe, I've never advocated that. I'm advocating that you guys actually listen to each other and come up with a common solution that sets the balance point in an area that everyone can have fun with.

I can think of several things off the top of my head right now that would be fair and fun for the gankers as well as the AFK miners and haulers. There are solutions and we don't need these walls of text to deal with the relatively minor play issues being discussed.

Neither do I, if you're afk you're not playing the game, you're doing something else. Any fun that there is to be had is from the activity you're engaged in, not the one that you're not.