EVE New Citizens Q&A

Either I am confused or this thread somehow got derailed.

The OP started by asking for some LGBT channels in game. Then a whole bunch of people started talking about nasty things angry people say when someone does something to them. Racist, Sexist, Homophobic attitudes and actions are when one person has a personal dislike for a group of people and acts on that dislike towards people of that group based purely on that person's being part of that group and having nothing to do with that person's actions. Meaning there is nothing that you can do as to change the bigot's mind he dislike "your type" and you could be the nicest person in the world and he/she would still have dislike for you.

You guys going off on a discussion about what people say to you when you do nasty things to them to make them angry not only has nothing to do with that but could be considered the exact opposite. I have friends of various racial backgrounds that I make racial slurs to them on a regular basis. Just because someone uses a racial slur does not make them a racist. You could never use a harsh or negative word towards anyone of a particular race in your life but if you won't let your daughter date one of them or actively try and keep that race from living in your neighborhood then you are a racist. Likewise you could never say a bad thing about an LGBT person in your life but if you won't shop at a store that is owned by someone of that community nor higher someone in that group etc... then you are prejudiced against them.

The OP can speak for his/her self but it seems to me that the OP was looking to talk to people within his/her own group so as not to have to deal with the prejudgments of other's outside that group, not wondering if he will get nasty language from someone he/she intentionally pisses off.

I had made my comment hoping to point out to the OP that within the context of this game ( much like any highly competitive game / sport ) people with say nasty things that they don't mean in an attempt to get under your skin and get you to loose your cool therefore giving them the upper hand. I had hoped this would free up the OP a little to look for an accepting group in this game while ignoring many of the comments / links posted in local when troublemakers roam through swatting at hornet's nests looking to start trouble.

This would be similar to back in grade school when someone wanted to start a fight with another person they'd make fun of that person's mother. Not because he really had any hatred for that other person's mother but strictly because he knew it would start a fight and a fight is what he was looking for.

Maybe I'm way off base here but I'm just trying to keep the thread helpful to the OP.

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IMHO there is a huge difference between prejudice and someone saying the most hurtful thing that they can think of just because they are angry at you specifically for something that you did or just saying hurtful things trying to start a fight.

In the other hand, the OP has not posted any answer, so maybe he's not even reading this thread and we all are jettisoning words into space, which, in some cases, is the best place

I almost got jumped by Sniggerdly once, now it has a whole new meaning.....

Sorry, I just had to go there....

Actually I should have known, they where flying with Purple Helmeted Warriors.

Legit question, why do you need a safe space in a game where no one is going after you? I agree with most people in this thread. No one cares one way or another what your orientation is. Because of that, why exactly does anyone need a safe space? I'm left handed in real life, do I need a safe space because people IRL years ago make fun of people who were left handed (even though noone in EVE does?) Same thing, isn't it? Sexual orientation doesn't matter to EVE, what matters is how you can play the game.

It's not about the game, it's about the social experience attached to the game.
If you would legitimately be hurt by people making fun of your left handedness, then -- yes; You do deserve that space.

In my own experience it's about avoiding conversations including the word "gay" as pejorative. Avoiding the term "**** cage" altogether, and plenty of other things that people will argue over and over again are harmless. They aren't harmless, and someone who wants to avoid that bullshit should be allowed to seek a space away from it.

Why anyone is bothered by others trying to find their own space is beyond me.

You mean like Sandwich Kitchen Citadel? j/k, j/k <-see?

You make good points, Forelli. Although EvE mostly doesn't much care who you are IRL, like-minded people have been gathering at least in social groups in EvE since it's beginning.

I believe that no one has been disrespectful in this thread so far.
Although, as i already have pointed out, the OP has never answered nor posted anything on the forums since, so we can assume he either doesn't want to discuss the topic anymore, or he has moved away from EVE.

I never even said that a little bit.

Not that there's anything wrong with being immature...It's a game, it doesn't need to be the pinnacle of modern class. Men enjoy acting a certain way around each other and that's fine. But it doesn't necessarily mean a woman will step into that environment and enjoy it. It's not about what you feel is "mature enough", it's about what makes that individual comfortable. You don't get to decide that for them.

I've been in a large corp/alliance where "jewing" was the most common term used for money making. Was anybody trying to be offensive? No...it was so commonly used they didn't even think of it that way. Is it immature? Yes, arguably. If a Jewish person found it offensive and decided to find another group would you be right to say "suck it up, no one cares if you're Jewish"? No! It's their right to find a group of people to play with that doesn't make them uncomfortable.

You don't have to go out of your way to accommodate people that find every old thing offensive, but you also shouldn't deride them for choosing to play with someone else.

EVE (like real life and every other online game) is rife with immature (to put it kindly) and malicious (to put it less kindly) people. Just because you are mature doesn't mean everyone is. EVE is not immune to these problems, and if you think it is then your experience must be very narrow. It's quite rampant, with some groups being much worse than others.

Really we agree on the root of the issue. I'm sure the OP would be happy to find a mature group of players who won't put them down. Realistically though, that can be difficult to find. Joining a group of like-minded players is just a shortcut to achieve that goal, because they're coming from a common background. Who are we to tell him OP he/she doesn't need that? It's not for us to decide.

So if I punched you in the face repeatedly, you'd just be cool with that and we could still be friends?

Honestly...calling OP close-minded and in the same breath trying to control how they live their life...