EVE General Discussion

Hmmm interesting graph. Would love to see some sort of correlation measurement. Using say MMO trend as the explanatory variable and the CCP numbers as the dependent variable. Or a correlation coefficient.

Max profit and efficiency are objectives, for large companies they are important but not as much as resiliency and economy of scale. Your small company gets quick to the maximum efficiency *possible to it*, large ones can go beyond that.
In example they can fire those pesky western workers, close down the USA and Europe factories and hire some zillions slaves in Far East.

Just look at something like Apple: head is in the USA, labor with its massive costs, logistics and workers is in China.

Kinder and gentler for you, but for me less unbalanced in that it is kind and gentle for gankers for example. What you are ignoring is the significant loss of hisec miners who ran one or two accounts in the period that mining ships all had the tank of a wet paper bag and destroyer DPS was increased. At that point there were plenty of new players, but they lost a core group.

I am very aware of what you talk about, I read a very good book called jumping the curve number of years back. In any case Eve has started to adjust towards being more accommodating to casual play. One example is the 3 hour vulnerability of medium Citadels, which people are already moaning about, well you want to attack it get tough and stay up to 03:00 AM, but enables casual players to have the damn things, sad that CCP made them pretty useless without even a limited market. CCP also adjusted their sov system to work in the TZ's that the alliance is most active. These are important, because they have to enable people to play the game in a more casual manner. But the old guard resist this like mad.

There are so many things going for Eve, I could start listing all the good things about Eve, but there is an issue, certain people such as the Ganker Community Manager have continued to alienate their customers by ignoring the imbalance of certain mechanics and even changing something that was deemed an exploit and letting them do it. There is a perception that part of CCP is linked to those players and actively supports them and makes it too easy for them. I could detail all the mechanics and stuff that makes it a cake walk for them, but that said Ganker Community Manager will just come in and have the thread closed.

There is a negative perception of Eve in the gaming world and it goes way back, when I was looking for a game to play in 2009 I spoke to one of my PBEM players and asked and he had played Eve and just stopped, he told me that it was interesting and deep but ruined by a toxic player base, so I asked him for more details so he said the mechanics and rules made it easy for people to be dicks. So I was interested because for me its all about testing youself. But the core thing about testing yourself is doing it in a game where you have the remotest chance of being able to compete and over the years I realised that there was many aspects of Eve which you could not compete in.

For example during that period of mining ships had the tank of a wet paper bag and destroyer DPS had been buffed, I never mined a single asteroid. That was a simple decision, I recognised that the game balance was rubbish, when I had started i came across a number of hisec miners, I was still in touch with them even though I had moved in game to NPC 0.0. During that period every single one stopped playing Eve. I went on the forums and tried to draw this to the attention of CCP, which was when I first started posting on games mechanics, And I then came across the immensely toxic forum players. All those players who left had an attitude against CCP.

When I came across freighter pilots that had been bumped for hours, none of them were raging at the gankers, they were raging at CCP for their rubbish mechanics, same as those mining players who left the game. I was sitting there thinking oh no here we go again...

Now back to the current situation, I sold my heap of junk called a Charon, to me it is just worthless, because the only way I could defend it and its goods was to have a webber, a scout and a couple of suicide gankers to kill the blackbird that would point it so a Macherial could get on it. I don't have 5 accounts, furthermore because of the ease of spying and the like I keep my corp only with people that I know and most of them no longer play.

So what I am doing is making it difficult for people to get at me, but in doing that removing game play.

But the perception that is most important is that all these things like ganking, spying, scamming etc. are stupidly easy, but impossible to stop.

Which is why the issue over wreck EHP is so important, the GCM (Ganker Community Manager) did not have a hand in it, however it was the imbalanced CSM which is the players representative which has no one that represents hisec, and the player concerned was a 0.0 alliance player whose corp made most of their kills and ISK by hisec ganking. CCP with their attitude to hisec did not realise that they were being had here in that the AG was starting to blow up wrecks, they completely missed the reality of that game balance and destroyed emergent gameplay. This is where I have an issue with CCP and many other players do.

But most of all I have come to the conclusion that this game has a group of players at the top of the game who feed off of the low level and medium level players in a too easy to do manner. People in the main are not stupid and that perception is evidently also hurting CCP. Now people want to avoid such people and that is why we have people who play Elite Dangerous on their own instance, which is why I will have the PvP bar set to 0 on Star Citizen and why Eve has so few people logging in, because less players is less content.

TL;DR - Eve forums are now apparently a platform to self publish books.

Yeah, I can clearly see the toxic player base in this thread. They are led by players like you.

FTFY

Come back Dinsdale, almost all is forgiven.

You are.
Subjectively, they're not wrong.
Learn to read, and see the comment immediately above.
You certainly appear to want it to be safer for those that can't be bothered to actually play the game or learn the mechanics.
Pointing out that around 80% of what you post is either wrong, opinion, or just downright bollocks is not stalking, it's a public service.

Feeling persecuted much?

Yep, I'm so upset about it that I openly admit to having exactly zero PvP kills

If you feel that I'm stalking you, which is a crime, please feel free to report it to CCP and your local police station.

You're delusional my friend, seek help.

Apparently you did not quite comprehend my point.

Making Eve more fitting with casual play is also a nerf to other play styles. Which can cause people to leave the game. As I noted, it is a very risky move in that may very well induce players who wanted the Eve we have/had in to just leaving and there is absolutely no assurance that the new exponential growth path will be like the initial one. In fact, there is reason to believe otherwise. Eve has a long history of being rough and harsh, a kinder-gentler Eve may not pull in nearly as many players as you think while driving out those formerly loyal customers.

And at the same time this move towards "favoring more casual play" (WTF does that even mean?) is one that will destroy the game. Oh not necessarily in the servers go cold, but destroy the game most of use came here to play. I did not come here to play candy crush, I came here to play Eve. When I jump through a gate I want there to be some element of uncertainty to that action (not risk, BTW, but uncertainty).



And apparently you don't have 5 friends in game either.

I'll also note you are wildly exaggerating the effects of suicide gankers. I have managed just fine with a scout alt account. I have the scout jump in, look around, and then send the big guy through if clear, if not dock up and watch Netflix, something on Amazon, go do something to reduce wife aggro, etc.

I mean, yeah if you are insistent on trying to get through when CODE. or some other ganking group is active...it will require more effort. But for the love of God you are trying to move a ship worth over a billion ISK full of valuable cargo...unprotected? Really? There is a word for that, it is called imprudent. When you are imprudent you can suffer the consequences from time-to-time.



There is a difference between you doing that and CCP doing it. CCP doing it means it is removed for EVERYONE and there is no more choice, even if they are bad choices. You doing it only affects you and is a marginal impact on those who would otherwise gank you.

It is typical of people to reason like this. "Well it is good for me, so it must be good for everyone." Not for the gankers. And guess what they are paying customers too. Further, what makes sense at the individual level can often look stupid at the macro/aggregate level. For example, rushing to your bank when it is in a state of illiquidity and yanking your money out. Rational at the individual level, but when everyone does it, you have a bank run which can take a sound yet illiquid bank and drive it out of business and possibly threatening everyone's money.*



Really, I've never been ganked. It is called being prudent. It may not stop it 100% of the time, but it will reduce it. And if your goal is to reduce it 100% then that may come at tremendous cost, like a significant chunk of the remaining players logging in. You are complaining about things that CCP and many of us see as features, not bugs.** I have also not been scammed. I look at all those "too good to be true" offers and think...too good to be true most likely a scam. Especially if it involves another player. And while I have not run a corporation or an alliance, I'd argue that it is the same thing. Being prudent. Do not put all alliance assets in the reach of a single player. Really it is an old, old addage...well three actually.

1. Don't put all your eggs in one basket (lots of gank victims fail this one).
2. Don't put the fox in charge of guarding the hen house (people who fall for corp thefts fail this one).
3. If it is too good to be true, it probably is (people who fall for scammers fail this one).

If you fall for all 3....God help you, both in game and IRL.

In fact, if you haven't learned these and you learn them here in game...well consider it a good and valuable lesson before learning it with RL money and assets. Like for example the foolish employees at Enron who put all of their 401k holdings into Enron stock. They got greedy and when the company collapsed they lost it all, their jobs, their retirements, everything...but they were imprudent. They were foolish. Yes it was bad for them, but they were also greedy.

*Note there is significant difference between an insolvent bank and one that is merely illiquid.
**And no, I have never engaged in corp theft or spying against my corp or alliance, nor do I intend to.