EVE General Discussion

Whether that existed or not has never been contested in this thread. Of course they have always existed to some degree. What is relevant is the order of magnitude some of what you mentioned has become. What is relevant is the severity.

not saying the idea doesn't have merit , but I'm worried it might just lead to an 'arms race' (who has more characters wins) and generally promote situations needing 2 characters to play the game.

Might be one for serious discussion in its own thread in the Assembly Hall sub-forum as after a while threads like these just end up drowning in a sea of straw-man arguments and posters going nuclear over imagined slights.

Actually its funny, I sat down and analysed various things, this wreck EHP debacle, CCP Falcon's amazing real life consequences post and then his frenzied locking of posts afterwards. The complete mess in terms of mechanics that actually totally benefit the gankers. The result that there is a load of fail players at the top who use the mechanics to slaughter and scam and destroy new players.

I wanted Eve to succeed in spite of all this, and hoped that they could turn it around, but I cannot see it.

CCP got so many things right with this game but they failed because of stupidity and arrogance, the first one was buffing destroyer DPS and then leaving mining ships with the tank of a wet paper bag. All that did was lose a mass of hisec players, when I realised this I started going on the forums to say what the hell are you doing, but they just ploughed on oblivious because at that time they were attracting new players and for some reason they did not analyse what was happening. Then it hit them very late in the day, or too late in the day to be honest and they suddenly adjusted the mining ships. But the damage was done, this was followed up CCP Falcon allowing Hyperdunking which was just crazy.

The war dec system has turned into blanket war deck approach to get people enough targets who fly through pipes and visit hubs, it is as boring as hell. People get a war dec they log out for a week, they drop crop or they roll corps, its just so naff.

In 0.0 we have people with BLOP's leaving AFK cloaky campers in systems 24/24 7/7, people get dropped then decide to stop logging in. The impact of this was massively increased by SP injectors that enabled the campers to create clean full skill toons and of course with no watch list you can no longer control risk with the hot droppers.

It seems that Eve is moving from one ill thought out idea to the next which deepen these problems and yet the decisions are directed by a group of players who do such things like the wreck EHP to directly benefit themselves.

In affect there is a reduction in players because CCP have screwed up, they lost track of getting the balance right, they allowed the people at the top of the game to over fish the new and lower level players with unbalanced mechanics and this is the sorry state that the game is in now.

Add to this the simple fact it is an old game and that new games are coming along who seem to have a better attitude to dealing with meta gaming and rubbish like that and Eve is seen to be out of sync..

Those players who want to create something like an new corp or alliance will find the risk of getting a corp thief or spy in so high that they run the risk of losing everything by theft or by intel that results in the loss of their most expensive assets. Many people say what is the point, there is no way to control accounts, CCP just accept again that newer people are there to be robbed or blasted by veterans with multiple accounts and spy alts to burn.

The problem is total complacency, naivety and incompetence.

And yet there is so much right with this game.

Major issues that need to be sorted:

Actual consequences for ganking in hisec, not the laughable ones we have now
Sorting out the rules on loot scooping so that people cannot avoid consequences
Stop being naive when taking advice from veteran players with vested interests in their own gameplay
Work on the war dec system so that both sides are not alienated
Remove AFK gameplay that froces people to not login, or do something about the ease of dropping people like a delay on cyno's
Link accounts, just do it.

Eve is in a terrible state, that is my opinion.

It was on what I would call the main account only and flagged as such, but it would only really work well if CCP decided to do linked accounts, but then they have the issue of consequences on ganking to deal with to balance off against. But the objective for me is give new players a scout from the start.

Yeah I have to admit that more and more, and to reiterate the reasons I already cited, that I'm just not caring about Eve any more.

It's AG that kept me in because the projecting gankers are everything they claim to hate, and the times we did get one over on them, when our own spies reported rage and tears, it was epic. The whine of 1000 hapless "carebears" - if you could find them (there's a reason why the gankers go out of their way to get tears on audio or in Eve mails and bandy them about like trophies) - was nothing compared to the salt of a failed ganker.

Shooting their wrecks was epic though. But now I just figure whatever else we come up with, they'll cry and get their way. All while claiming they don't, which is part of jollies they get over the whole thing.

Still it's boring though. Maybe the freighter will be saved, maybe not. Meh. And I see reports of WoW-like content, these "events" where it's like "kill 15 pirates and bring back their underwear and get a reward". Big effing deal. I remember live events, where people dropped everything and showed up with whatever they could grab, and the epic fleet commanders who still managed to make that work somehow. And you knew you were in the history of a game that people loved "I was there".

Now, whatever. It does not happen anymore anyway. Dropbear is gone in more ways than one. It was good to be around during that time though, I won't forget it.

There are in the meantime new games out there, ones that are not attracting the "key the neighbor's new car" crowd (CCP means "crowd control productions" and apparenty their product is perfect for a society ever becoming full of people who are truly rotten on the one hand, but too cowardly to do anything actually criminal or mischievous IRL on the other) . Deep down it feels like to explore them is like a breath of fresh air. But time to play games is heinously lacking these days for me anyway.

For what I'm seeing even with my hisec character now, wardecs ( like they are now ) are the worst idea CCP had ( or on the contrary the best way to annoy many players )

They are funny only for wardeccers.

Period.

I'm often amazed at the amount of inane vitriol that some people spew over the loss of space pixels in a PvP game. It wouldn't be so bad if miners and the AG community would limit their toxic verbiage to EVE mails, but they often have no issue with venting in a most foul manner in local as well. This can be immensely off-putting to new players.

A good attitude, learning from losses and celebrating victories together will of course do much more to make EVE an attractive game that is welcoming to new players than the continuous ranting in local and the sulking on the EVE forums. If you want a positive game experience then make sure to make a positive contribution yourself!

Well I have had those war decs too and they don't bother me either, also I had some actively hunting me, I did the Eve strategy of boring them to death. But as I said, show me actual fleet fights by hisec non-merc corps or alliances that have done what you suggested and won. I just have not seen any. I think it is possible to do that if one forces the mercs to fight to defend something which is why I keep pushing the OS for watch list in a constellation, which is ridiculed by the trolls on the Eve forums, one because I proposed it and two because hisec players are there only to be farmed.