Science & Industry

There is your problem. Ice fields are easy to locate, the systems are static, the belts are advertised, and the timers are easy to track. Of course the people there will be cautious.

But in ore belts, where you have to hunt through the system to find targets, you will often find every type of mining ship (except the specialized T2 frigs)

Procurer/Skiff with a utility highslot for a cyno: the dream of baiters and counter-baiters across EVE (except Empire, but who cares about them). And anything that leads to more pew is a good thing(tm).

I'd rather have new mining ships to train for beyond exhumers instead of barges getting a rework. Bigger...better ships.

You realize how hard it is for anyone to take you seriously with your sig.

The way things seem to be going... the mining command ship will likely have mining capabilities itself... like the Rorqual (not as "good" obviously)

personal preference for me .. and speaking for myself only...

i would love to see a full line of miners... that the mining / industry side of the game recieve as much attention as other aspects of the game

we currently have :
T1/T2 mining frigates

T1/T2 mining barges/exhumers
(i see these as cruiser or battlecruiser size)

i want to see battleship sized mining ships and expansion of command industrial ships


listed below are random thoughts and ideas:

-just like T2 command battlecruisers. if fit a certain way can fit more then 3 warfare links... some how expand the slots on orca to fit more then 3 warfare links / industrial links

or

-a fleet mining command ship that provides boosts. has drones and/or guns and provides fleet defense, remote repair capabilities for the fleet, but does not have a cargo bay much to speak of... would have significantly faster target lock capabilities (lock targets about as fast as the skiff can lock targets).. basicaly i wanna see orca become something more then a 2nd or 3rd account ship that just sits there and sucks in cans

how we go about this, i have no clue, something like a Nestor, with drones and remote repair capabilities and fit industrial command links and tracktor beams with realy fast lock on time to lock and kill belt rats (damned orca takes forever to lock those targets) ... make the command links some how more interactive ... im just throwing out crazy ideas here

in short... make it more active, more interactive, interactive with the game environment and the members of the fleet

-combine the industrial fleet command ship role with the fleet defense role into one ship....

we all know that alot of players just do not want to sit around and play guard to a mining fleet

First, Eve is not a pure PVP game. And if they must explode more, just bring a bigger ship. The Skiff costs almost 200M ISK. Why should it explode when you bring only cheap ****? Otherwise, just search a bit more. If you look outside ice belts, you will find plenty of non-Skiff mining ships.

as it stands, i can mine useing all 3 ships

i choose to mine in a skiff. even if the area appears to be safe.. and sacrifice as much as 40% of potential income for safety.. so there is a solid tradeoff ... i trade profits for safety.... as do the vast majority of the other players

if they nurf the skiff as you suggest... what do you see the results being??

i see miners going back to doing what they did quite a few years ago... mine in a rokh or dominix... what are you going to do then when belts have fleets of battleships mineing astroids??

miners will almost always choose the safest method to mine... if you create a situation were the risk is not worth the reward... then the miners will not mine... this is bad for the economy.. very very bad ....

and im curious about your statement



i mine and interact with lots of other players and find the mining community to be rather interactive with each other in the areas i operate out of.. this statement of yours i find to be false

Need the dev-post really... for example... what happens if theres more than one Rorq on field?? Rorq fleets?

Details (provisional, of course) on Sisi, courtesy of Reddit:

Barges and exhumers: Traits, Attributes comparison
Strip miners: Attribute comparison

If my math's correct (it wasn't at first, but these should be!), these are max-yield-fitted m³/s (rounded to 2 digits) of unboosted ships (no either) with all skills to V and with T2 modules and crystals

A) m³ per cycle

Procurer:   2924m³/c  »  1462m³/c    (-50%)
Retriever:  1593m³/c  »  1992m³/c    (+25%)
Covetor:    1170m³/c  »  1593m³/c    (+36.25%)
Skiff:      3187m³/c  »  1593m³/c    (-50%)
Mackinaw:   1593m³/c  »  1992m³/c    (+25%)
Hulk:       1170m³/c  »  1593m³/c    (+36.25%)

B) strip miners per ship

Procurer:   1         »  2           (+50%)
Retriever:  2         »  2           (unchanged)
Covetor:    3         »  2           (-33%)
Skiff:      1         »  2           (+50%)
Mackinaw:   2         »  2           (unchanged)
Hulk:       3         »  2           (-33%)

C) seconds per cycle

Procurer:   162.0s/c  »  162.0s/c    (unchanged)
Retriever:  162.0s/c  »  162.0s/c    (unchanged)
Covetor:    144.0s/c  »  121.5s/c    (-15.625% time = +18.5% m³/s)
Skiff:      145.8s/c  »  145.8s/c    (unchanged)
Mackinaw:   145.8s/c  »  145.8s/c    (unchanged)
Hulk:       122.4s/c  »  103.3s/c    (-15.625% time = +18.5% m³/s)

F) m³ per second (= A*B/C)

Procurer:   18.05m³/s »  18.05m³/s   (unchanged)
Retriever:  19.67m³/s »  24.59m³/s   (+25%)
Covetor:    24.37m³/s »  26.23m³/s   (+7.65%)
Skiff:      21.86m³/s »  21.86m³/s   (unchanged)
Mackinaw:   21.86m³/s »  27.32m³/s   (+25%)
Hulk:       28.67m³/s »  30.86m³/s   (+7.65%)

Minor fitting changes, no base stat changes, no other role bonus changes.

Interpretation: please come out of your skiffs, so the gankers have some content again!