EVE General Discussion

Or alternatively, leave by the thousand, as is happening.

"The game" is one thing....CCP's profit margins are another. When they have lost enough subs and introduced all the "pay to win" aspects that they can think of then all you'll have left is pvp er's in max skilled accounts with maxed out ships cancelling each other out. Wardecs will then be won by those with the deepest real life pockets, the miners and industrialists having long ago gotten fed up with being shot in the face and quit.

CCP cares about the game because the game makes them a profit, but don't be deluded about which one they will prioritise when the player subs no longer cover their costs.

Sounds great....(sigh)

OP I applaud your reasonable approach and suggestion to fix your problem. But...no. You should be safe nowhere in eve. That is how eve is designed. If we start making exceptions to the rule and making some places almost completely safe, it will ruin the game.

You have options. And the best option for you given current game mechanics and the fact that its highly unlikely those mechanics are going to change is to embrace current game mechanics. Your biggest problem is you are trying to "live it up" in high sec. Which is literally the worst place in eve to live. You have to deal with wardeccers and gankers and so many neutrals you do not know who is going to gank you. You dont know if your war targets are going to hang out in hubs and wait for you to show up or if they are going to actually try to find you.... what a crappy way to live an eve life.

But fear not! You have options. Move to null, mine in relative peace and profit! You will get better profits and be able to spend more time doing the stuff you want. Ill use my alliance as an example:

- We are a null pvp oriented alliance that owns our own space.
- We live in a relatively quiet area because we keep it that way.
- We dont care about wardecs because deccers wont dare step foot in null where they have to fight people that pvp all the time.
- We have good intel.Giving you warning 99% of the time that an enemy is getting close.
- We get a few small roams throughout the day. They come and go. 10-15 minutes is usually all you have to dock up for.
- Our pvpers actively defend the space. We dont sit in the dock while people kill us and burn our stuff to the ground. We are more like" ohhh! targets we dont have to hunt for!"
-We dont force our members to pvp( though some corps are more strict about it than others but as an alliance its not forced)
- Our bears can either help defend or they can just wait in the dock till the coast is clear. If we are deployed and its more than a roam. the pvpers will come back to defend.
- Everyone contributes to the alliance, the difference is you have many ways to contribute. Bears are still expected to contribute but they contribute by stocking the market, building doctrine stuff, ammo, drones, charges, capitals, citadels, whatever. Mining Ice for the caps. bears fuel jump bridges poses citadels,provide alliance logistics, find wormhole chains( if exploring is your thing) etc. THIS is how they contribute to the alliance.
- we have buyback for ices and ores and such though i dont know a lot about the indy side just what i read in the alliance forum.

In return you get a relatively safe place to mine and do indy all day. No guessing if someone is going to pop up and shoot you. People in the area are either friendly or they are going to try to kill you. its very black and white.


So the answer to your problem already exist, (good) null alliances will provide the security you are looking for while you contribute to the alliance with your industrial expertise. And as a bonus the profits are much higher even if you have to dock up for 10-15min a few times a day.

EVE is a PVP game. Period. Full Stop. This is not a game for those who do not like or want to PVP. You do not even have to leave your station to compete (PVP) against other players.


Players also don't have to dock up for a week or more when war decced. They have options such as fighting, hiring mercs, or *gasp* moving someplace else.

You obviously don't want to play this game, and are expecting CCP to cater to your specific play-style. Please take your "ideas" to the proper forum area where such input is solicited, or better yet, to another game where competition and loss are meaningless.

EVE is *already* a PVP game, everywhere, all the time, 23.5/7/365.

What you are "suggesting" is that CCP fundamentally change the game because it does not meet your limited definition of PVP.

Eve is a pvp game. It depends heavily on losing ships and modules to keep the economy balanced and the game functioning.

The misconception is that pvpers will not or do not pve and thus without bears the game will die. Thats not the case. The bears make everything cheaper because of competition between them and they maximize efficiency. If there were no true bears in the game, the economy would still function because pvpers still do pve( most of them) and they would just do it to more of a degree than before. I can build 200k units of ammo while still pew pewing. I can still research blueprints, mine goo etc. since i dont pew pew my entire time in game i have time to engage in pve activities.

Furthermore a majority of bears embrace this is a pvp game. And some actually love it. Doing pve in basically a battlefield excites them. I know many pvers that are perfectly happy doing their thing while trying to avoid being killed. In fact a majority of the pvers ive met are like this. Only a very small portion of pvers make a big deal out of "no safe place" in eve. They just appear to be larger in numbers because they are the ones that always complain.

Its like when you read a review on something , a much higher percentage of people will complain about something than people who are satisfied. You might have 500 people that are happy with something and 40 that arent But 35 of those 40 will write a review and complain about it while maybe only 20 of the 500 who are happy with it will bother.

The few people that complain about gankers and wardecs, etc are in the minority. Such activities either do not apply to everyone else because they got out of the kiddie pool( IE high sec) and started swimming in the big boy pool( ie null/low/wspace) or they simply know how to skirt gankers and deccers so it doesnt affect their gameplay.

People do realize that there are ample ways to work around a war dec?

Doc Fury is correct.

EVE is all PVP in every aspect of the game. That does not have any impact on the 'social' aspects of the game though. You can play this game solo and be good at it.

Players using the term "PVE" either do so out of an understanding that it is EVE PVE (not the same as other MMO's PVE) or incorrectly using it as it pertains to other MMO's PVE, which doesn't exist, so it's used in error.

Officially, there is no PVE in EVE. You are competing for EVERYTHING in this game. You can choose to ignore other players activities and their impact on your productivity (say a miner that leaves other miners alone and chooses to let them take the same resources you are mining for, or a Combat Site runner that ignores other Combat Site runners that are draining your systems of those sites and taking away ISK that could be yours) but that is a CHOICE, not PVE. You can easily flip it to PVP, lay claim to systems and defend them, even in HiSec. This is why War Dec/gank mechanics still exist, to austensibly allow for ship to ship PVP to still exist in Concord protected locations like Hi/Lo Sec.

The only thing that comes close to true other MMO PVE is mission running. The only drawback to that is that you can be sent on missions in dangerous PVP space so that kind of takes it out of true PVE.

So, be very careful tossing the term PVE around. Always remember that as other MMO's use the term, it doesn't exist in EVE. However, in EVE, when you are primarily fighting computer based targets, is how the term "PVE" is used.

No place is safe for ship to ship PVP other than dock. In dock, your ISK/resources aren't safe if you do market based activities.

I think on the long run Wardecs as they are now, ganking as it is now and maybe other factors will slowly make the players you thing there are not suitable for a pvp game like Eve abandon the game and look for something else.

So I suppose you should be very happy for it, only true (not limited) pvp lovers will be here playing.

I have a different vision and would be happy to have also another kind of players but it's only my personal point of view.

And yet the game is over 10 years old and still going. People like the added challenge the nature of eve brings to the game. Plus, it allows for some truly unique events that do not occur in other games.

For example, at some points large groups attempted to stage a gank based interdiction of Jita. Any hauler going into it out of Jita was targeted for destruction. Granted, the interdiction was heavily announced, so many people were prepared. But even this preparation took many forms. Some used the war dec mechanic to declare war on the gankers to try and get easy kills. Others stock Jita and surrounding systems with the ships and modules used in a typical ganking ship in the hopes of making a profit. Others tried to setup regional trade hubs for more profit and some made more of the haulers that were destroyed believing that would be purchased as a replacement for lost ships.

That is part of what makes EVE unique. There are few other games where such unique gameplay exists. It creates entire new playstylies that people can experience. It's why many come here and many stay. So while some may not like this aspect, it is the very core that draws so many others to say this is the game for me and join in the fun.