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- Proposal of Ship Scanning as Hostile Act Resolution -

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#181 - 2016-07-28 10:29:35 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Of course I am patronising you, it is fun to do when people take themselves too seriously.


You were talking about hot air? Again, you fail to address anything said, you only make quips about the people saying it. However seriously I take myself is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand and anything I've said, and most definitely not within your realm of understanding or education, so I suggest you cool down with the disrespectful, inflamatory and antagonistic tirades before I start reporting them.


So you don't really like freedom of expression then, I am not the one insulting here, I happen to think you are fairly intelligent and I said I read your comments which is true, then I had a little laugh when you reacted to my praise, I have to use something that I learnt from the forums, calm down ganker...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#182 - 2016-07-28 10:34:14 UTC
nah

Just make it so the person scanned has a warning show up on his screen identifying who scanned him.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2016-07-28 10:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Of course I am patronising you, it is fun to do when people take themselves too seriously.


You were talking about hot air? Again, you fail to address anything said, you only make quips about the people saying it. However seriously I take myself is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand and anything I've said, and most definitely not within your realm of understanding or education, so I suggest you cool down with the disrespectful, inflamatory and antagonistic tirades before I start reporting them.


So you don't really like freedom of expression then, I am not the one insulting here, I happen to think you are fairly intelligent and I said I read your comments which is true, then I had a little laugh when you reacted to my praise, I have to use something that I learnt from the forums, calm down ganker...


Again, you're addressing the person, not what the person is saying. I don't care how intelligent you think I am, I care what responses you have to the points I've made. Which have so far been "lol, you take yourself too seriously", or in other words, no relevant response. You have, however, been incredibly disrespectful. So keep it up, and I will report you. This isn't a free speech issue, this is a 'read the ******* forum rules' issue.

Also, I haven't insulted you. Try again. If you're referring to my accusation of slander, that was an observation-based assessment of when you told lies about people. If you're insulted by being accused of slander, then don't slander people, that simple mate. Not to mention your own comments about 'blue collar plebs'. Seriously, start showing some ******* respect.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#184 - 2016-07-28 10:36:59 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Of course I am patronising you, it is fun to do when people take themselves too seriously.


You were talking about hot air? Again, you fail to address anything said, you only make quips about the people saying it. However seriously I take myself is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand and anything I've said, and most definitely not within your realm of understanding or education, so I suggest you cool down with the disrespectful, inflamatory and antagonistic tirades before I start reporting them.


So you don't really like freedom of expression then, I am not the one insulting here, I happen to think you are fairly intelligent and I said I read your comments which is true, then I had a little laugh when you reacted to my praise, I have to use something that I learnt from the forums, calm down ganker...


Again, you're addressing the person, not what the person is saying. I don't care how intelligent you think I am, I care what responses you have to the points I've made. Which have so far been "lol, you take yourself too seriously", or in other words, no relevant response. You have, however, been incredibly disrespectful. So keep it up, and I will report you. This isn't a free speech issue, this is a 'read the ******* forum rules' issue.

Also, I haven't insulted you. Try again. If you're referring to my accusation of slander, that was an observation-based assessment of when you told lies about people. If you're insulted by being accused of slander, then don't slander people, that simple mate. Not to mention your own comments about 'blue collar plebs'. Seriously, start showing some ******* respect.


Why do I owe you any respect?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2016-07-28 10:39:32 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Of course I am patronising you, it is fun to do when people take themselves too seriously.


You were talking about hot air? Again, you fail to address anything said, you only make quips about the people saying it. However seriously I take myself is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand and anything I've said, and most definitely not within your realm of understanding or education, so I suggest you cool down with the disrespectful, inflamatory and antagonistic tirades before I start reporting them.


So you don't really like freedom of expression then, I am not the one insulting here, I happen to think you are fairly intelligent and I said I read your comments which is true, then I had a little laugh when you reacted to my praise, I have to use something that I learnt from the forums, calm down ganker...


Again, you're addressing the person, not what the person is saying. I don't care how intelligent you think I am, I care what responses you have to the points I've made. Which have so far been "lol, you take yourself too seriously", or in other words, no relevant response. You have, however, been incredibly disrespectful. So keep it up, and I will report you. This isn't a free speech issue, this is a 'read the ******* forum rules' issue.

Also, I haven't insulted you. Try again. If you're referring to my accusation of slander, that was an observation-based assessment of when you told lies about people. If you're insulted by being accused of slander, then don't slander people, that simple mate. Not to mention your own comments about 'blue collar plebs'. Seriously, start showing some ******* respect.


Why do I owe you any respect?


Because if you expect other people to show you any, you're gonna have to show some yourself. Right now, that comment about 'blue collar plebs' literally makes you less precious than dirt, so you're gonna have to earn it back. Until then, the only comments from you with any relevance are ones that address issues instead of people, and any that address people will be reported. Also, because the forum rules demand you show me respect. They demand it of me too, but if you're gonna be a knob to others, I don't see why they shouldn't treat you with the contempt you have pretty much asked for by being a ****.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#186 - 2016-07-28 10:42:17 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
nah

Just make it so the person scanned has a warning show up on his screen identifying who scanned him.


Already have that.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#187 - 2016-07-28 11:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Why do I owe you any respect?


Because if you expect other people to show you any, you're gonna have to show some yourself. Right now, that comment about 'blue collar plebs' literally makes you less precious than dirt, so you're gonna have to earn it back. Until then, the only comments from you with any relevance are ones that address issues instead of people, and any that address people will be reported. Also, because the forum rules demand you show me respect. They demand it of me too, but if you're gonna be a knob to others, I don't see why they shouldn't treat you with the contempt you have pretty much asked for by being a ****.


You keep going off on a personal issue you have with me, but I don't expect respect, I have to earn it, your respect means very little to me. Your comment on my dig that civil society types think of the working class is because that is where I came from, my father wore wooden cloggs with hobnails when he was a kid, I have the right to express my opinion on the contempt that others especially what we call civil society have on working class people, if you want to take it as something else then that is your right, I know however what I meant by it.

You and other ganker aligned posters went off on a little circle jerk aimed at insulting me in the posts in 8., I did not whine or complain or threaten to report it, I just continued on the issue I raised. I told you where I respect you, I also know where I don't respect you, you do not respect me and I am perfectly fine with that.

Now I would advise you to calm down and just let it go.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#188 - 2016-07-28 11:17:23 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
You and other ganker aligned posters...

And people not aligned one way or the other. No circle jerk. Just pointing out BS for being BS.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#189 - 2016-07-28 11:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You and other ganker aligned posters...

And people not aligned one way or the other. No circle jerk. Just pointing out BS for being BS.
Oooh you don't want to that, you'll be accused of stalking him; apparently stalking is making one snarky remark or post that references him, in a period of a couple of weeks Roll

Actually two snarky remarks if you include this one Twisted

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#190 - 2016-07-28 12:01:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You and other ganker aligned posters...

And people not aligned one way or the other. No circle jerk. Just pointing out BS for being BS.
Oooh you don't want to that, you'll be accused of stalking him; apparently stalking is making one snarky remark that references him in a period of a couple of weeks Roll


Except it is not BS what I raised .

My dear stalker you backed off when I called you out on it, then your next post on me was an attack post at a personal level and nothing to do with the discussion. That is why I called you out on it before. By all means talk about the issue I raised on the EHP of wrecks but to make digs without addressing the issue defines what you are doing.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#191 - 2016-07-28 12:21:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Except it is not BS what I raised .

My dear stalker you backed off when I called you out on it,
I backed off because it was going nowhere and it was in the interests of the thread staying on topic to do so.

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then your next post on me was an attack post at a personal level and nothing to do with the discussion.
Wrong, making fun of your propensity of claiming to have done something, when it's fairly obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about, is not a personal attack. If I was attacking you I'd go back to calling you an arse or let go with both barrels on you like I did with Veers.

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That is why I called you out on it before.
Except you didn't, I backed off to prevent the thread turning into a pissing match and have done so on several occasions, because I know when to stop.

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By all means talk about the issue I raised on the EHP of wrecks but to make digs without addressing the issue defines what you are doing.
You didn't raise an issue, you posted some off-topic utter bollocks insinuating that the change to wreck EHP was due to undue influence on CCP by Endie Roll.

As I told you before, I'll call out any BS I see, it's not restricted to you; you should ask Remiel about the grief he got from me when he started.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#192 - 2016-07-28 14:54:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
The previous post you did was when Dirty Forum Alt used the expression Psychology about another player, not me, you then jumped in and said something along the lines of suggesting I was an expert in Psychology in a mocking tone. I was in that thread, but not involved in that lively debate. For you to jump in and then throw that comment like that shows that you have an issue. I looked at your post shook my head and thought he is back at it again, I will ignore him, then you come in here and start again.

Earlier one of your fellow ganker supporters got all upset because I dealt with their hamfisted attempt to scare me with slander rubbish which I dealt with my clarifying with my legal advisor what I can and cannot do in terms of my accusation on the EHP wreck buff. At which point he goes off as if I am threatening him with lawyers and invokes the Scientology religion threat as if I was doing the same, some sort of guilt by association, which I ignored because it was so silly. I am quite happy to protect myself against people who might decide to use legal action against me, some of you people take this game way to seriously so best to be sure, but I will never do that myself. It is a game and winning in it by means like that is just silly.

You have got into a mocking insulting pattern, so that everytime I post you accuse me of saying I am an expert in something or whatever takes your fancy . This is because in one thread I pointed out that you were going on about fighting and PvP and yet you had not killed anything in terms of PvP. Ever since then you took it very personally and keep making snarky insulting posts like the one above.

I suggest you grow up and stop acting like a man child.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#193 - 2016-07-28 15:22:16 UTC
LOL...wow. My buddy thinks ol' dracvlad there is a subtle troll because nobody could really say that kind of stuff and mean it...I'm still undecided...

EHP of wrecks change lit a fuse, eh? Seems a logical thing to have done to me. If the timing of that change "seems" to some to be suspect, I say - so what if it was? CCP has by it's actions over time shown that it is not interested in making the reef we call EvE into a place where any of us virtualspacefish are ever completely safe.

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#194 - 2016-07-28 15:32:32 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
LOL...wow. My buddy thinks ol' dracvlad there is a subtle troll because nobody could really say that kind of stuff and mean it...I'm still undecided...

EHP of wrecks change lit a fuse, eh? Seems a logical thing to have done to me. If the timing of that change "seems" to some to be suspect, I say - so what if it was? CCP has by it's actions over time shown that it is not interested in making the reef we call EvE into a place where any of us virtualspacefish are ever completely safe.

What in the **** does wreck ehp have to do with being "safe"?

Do you guys even read your posts sometimes?



I mean I'm not even disagreeing with your core point necessarily - the timing on the wreck ehp change may well be a coincidence...but why in the **** did you throw in the comment about safety along with itQuestionQuestionQuestion

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#195 - 2016-07-28 15:41:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
The previous post you did was when Dirty Forum Alt used the expression Psychology about another player, not me, you then jumped in and said something along the lines of suggesting I was an expert in Psychology in a mocking tone.
This is called making fun of you; FYI Dirty Forum Alt was actually referring to basic human psychology, not a particular player's psychology.

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I was in that thread, but not involved in that lively debate.
No? Dirty Forum Alts post was a direct reply to one of yours in which you replied to one of theirs, so yes you were involved in that particular debate about human psycholgy.

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For you to jump in and then throw that comment like that shows that you have an issue. I looked at your post shook my head and thought he is back at it again, I will ignore him, then you come in here and start again.

Earlier one of your fellow ganker supporters got all upset because I dealt with their hamfisted attempt to scare me with slander rubbish which I dealt with my clarifying with my legal advisor what I can and cannot do in terms of my accusation on the EHP wreck buff. At which point he goes off as if I am threatening him with lawyers and invokes the Scientology religion threat as if I was doing the same, some sort of guilt by association, which I ignored because it was so silly. I am quite happy to protect myself against people who might decide to use legal action against me, some of you people take this game way to seriously so best to be sure, but I will never do that myself. It is a game and winning in it by means like that is just silly.
lol, seriously, legal advisers, scientology?

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You have got into a mocking insulting pattern, so that everytime I post you accuse me of saying I am an expert in something or whatever takes your fancy . This is because in one thread I pointed out that you were going on about fighting and PvP and yet you had not killed anything in terms of PvP. Ever since then you took it very personally and keep making snarky insulting posts like the one above.
The first part of this little diatribe is verifiabley false with minimal effort Roll

As for the second, I don't care about my lack of killboard, never have, never will; I don't care that you think I have a poor knowledge of mechanics or that I'm a lesser class of player because of it either, because it's relatively easy for me to prove otherwise without lowering myself to the base standard you hold, i.e that of a killboard.

I like to make snarky remarks at your expense because you're predictable, easy to make fun of and it amuses me to do so.

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I suggest you grow up and stop acting like a man child.
I suggest that you take your advice and follow it yourself.

On that note I've had my fill of you for the day, good day sir.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#196 - 2016-07-28 15:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
LOL...wow. My buddy thinks ol' dracvlad there is a subtle troll because nobody could really say that kind of stuff and mean it...I'm still undecided...

EHP of wrecks change lit a fuse, eh? Seems a logical thing to have done to me. If the timing of that change "seems" to some to be suspect, I say - so what if it was? CCP has by it's actions over time shown that it is not interested in making the reef we call EvE into a place where any of us virtualspacefish are ever completely safe.



It is not so much the issue of what was done, hell CCP have to make a decision on game balance and doing things that make sense, the EHP of wrecks in itself was a good move and Endie made the case for it and I don't disagree with that point.

The important part was that the AG players were just starting to blow up wrecks, some of them myself included were training up ganker alts to fly a certain ship type and some people were starting to do it. This was not the normal passive defence type of play where one tries to rep up a freighter, or blow up or jam the gankers, people were doing something like the gankers, using toons that would be -10. It was offensive action and it was effective, then this change gets pushed through, pushed by the CEO of the corp that was the major ganker corp.

The gankers had tried to stop this, they shot at the players blowing up wrecks and webbed them etc., but they were having troubles, because it was the same as us trying to shoot gankers, fast moving frigates warping quickly coming in blasting things getting CONCORDED. AG was playing like the gankers and they did not like it.

Afterwards Fozzie realised they had been had so they applied the EHP buff to freighters from the DCU II which could not be used on a freighter. And said it was to balance off against something...

The issue is that the AG players were doing a fun offensive action and the gankers could not deal with it, we can both agree with the wreck EHP being silly and all that but what gets me is that Gankers have been crying about nerfs and using the EHP buff to freighters as if they are hard done by and yet that was a massive balance in their favour and I got fed up with their propaganda and decided to blast them for it.

In doing this I am sadly attacking a player who a lot of people respect and like which is never a good thing, hell I know people who know and like him, but this entire issue needs to be shown up for what it is. CCP were not biased towards ganking here, they were just incompetent.

But most of all it is to show that the game balance around ganking is completely skewed, they have the cheek to start going on about this nerf when they are coming out way way on top with this exchange of nerf buff. The AG players have to do passive defence only.

You saw in this thread baltec1 being told by me, now you know what it is like trying to kill small fast targets like that. So when these people go off and start whining about nerf's to ganking, this whole sorry episode of vested interest and incompetence and destroying great content for the AG players should be rammed down their collective throats. Yeah ruin their game, you are only there to be shot at, you cannot do the shooting, yeah right, that's what these players wanted and that is what they have got, remember AG is fail, but not is all black and white on that comment is it...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#197 - 2016-07-28 16:19:18 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Do you guys even read your posts sometimes?

Nah. Reading is for nerds.



Dirty Forum Alt wrote:

..but why in the **** did you throw in the comment about safety along with itQuestionQuestionQuestion

Quite simply because the wreck EHP issue directly relates to ganking, and having things like ganking possible in the game directly relates to the overall theme on safety in the game. It seemed a pretty direct connection to me *shrug* maybe I'm wrong...





Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#198 - 2016-07-28 16:19:53 UTC
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Come to think of it, why not at least have a suspect flag for people scanning. After all, if somebody is going around a parking lot looking into cars, would that behavior not be "suspect"?

I know I known "Hurf blurf this is not real life hurf blurf not another nerf".

These days I don't get wrapped up in "don't they want PVP?" They don't. Heck even RvB turned out to be a kill-farming scam.

I agree. Anyone who looks into cars in parking lots in New Eden should gain a suspect flag.

As for ship scanning though, no. Suspect flag is not needed.




But what about HTFU?

My, how the tune changes. I bet if scanning ships did result in s suspect flag, you'd call that a nerf to ganking.

But but I though you people always win every engagement? I thought you people are the apex feeeders of Eve, the super duper uber leet undefeatable pilots here to break people out of their RL habits of not being paranoid enough about everything?


Your type will never change, and it's the presence of people like you in this game, or this game itself (apparently) that is not going to be missed.


Let me see if I understand:

You should get a suspect timer for scanning because it is used largely by gankers?

Currently there is no penalty for using scanner on anything.

Add penalty to scanning.

I think yes, yes that could be called a nerf to ganking as you are adding a penalty to something without adding a comparable reward.

Also it just means that ganks go up because why bother scanning - just kill them all. Great idea.




So like bumping, ganking needs another no-consequence mechanic.

Check.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#199 - 2016-07-28 16:21:51 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Honestly,


Like for reals.


If you are arguing for this. You are either far to entrenched on the Anti-Gankers, Highsec is far to exploited side that you are arguing only for the fact that the people that think Highsec is far to safe are here arguing because of a trolling posted an absolutely ******** idea that shouldn't obvously be ignored mainly on the fact that his idea's are absolute trash and troll bait to begin with.


Like seriously.


No wait.

Not seriously. That's my point.




I'll bet you literally can't even right now.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#200 - 2016-07-28 16:24:17 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Come to think of it, why not at least have a suspect flag for people scanning. After all, if somebody is going around a parking lot looking into cars, would that behavior not be "suspect"?

I know I known "Hurf blurf this is not real life hurf blurf not another nerf".

These days I don't get wrapped up in "don't they want PVP?" They don't. Heck even RvB turned out to be a kill-farming scam.

I agree. Anyone who looks into cars in parking lots in New Eden should gain a suspect flag.

As for ship scanning though, no. Suspect flag is not needed.




But what about HTFU?

My, how the tune changes. I bet if scanning ships did result in s suspect flag, you'd call that a nerf to ganking.

But but I though you people always win every engagement? I thought you people are the apex feeeders of Eve, the super duper uber leet undefeatable pilots here to break people out of their RL habits of not being paranoid enough about everything?


Your type will never change, and it's the presence of people like you in this game, or this game itself (apparently) that is not going to be missed.


Yes it would be a nerf to ganking for profit or at least breaking even. Why are you being deliberately obtuse?

Here is an idea don't post like a douche.



Must be a good idea then.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!