EVE General Discussion

Right, not like you need a 250 man fleet to escort a freighter. You need a scout in HS. That's it. That scout can let you know what is on the other side of the gate. Can you jump in or not. If you want to be double damn sure, have the scout sit and watch when freighters come through.

If you see a mach sitting there don't jump in.

I had a friend try to get past the bumper once. He even got lucky and some random guy in a rapier webbed him. He still got caught. When you see a bad guy sitting there...dock up. Wait. Eventually they'll have another target or they'll move on.

CCP does have the data but then there's something bigger than data and I have written about it (including a prediction chart that in 2011 foresaw EvE's playerbase shrinking a lot).


There's this little known fact: world changes over time.

The same criteria, the same definition of "fun", the same amount of "spare time", the very kind of players we had back in 2003 is not what we have today.

CCP sadly did not or could not adapt EvE quick enough to keep up with the ever-changing RL.

When they attempted, CCP did not have quality directors to take on the task.

The breaking point (financially speaking) happened when CCP made the investment to implement two potential cash cows but failed in the most spectacular way:

- WIS

- In game shop

WIS: CCP could have used any 3D party engine to implement a credible WIS technical preview. This would have costed a fraction of developing a whole 3D engine in house, even if WIS would have failed, the damage would have been limited and budget could have been moved to other venues, in example, making PI something more than a sad joke.

In game shop: CCP could have slowly transitioned to a micro-transactions business. Even the "less than bright" EA managed to save SWTOR from utter failure by switching business model to a decent microtransactions model.

EvE never got that. We got some terrible CCP director flashing his $1,000 jeans. Not only that alienated EvE players opinion but colored the new EvE feature as "something for the elite", that is, something that shall NOT be able to support or replace EvE's subs based business model.

The bad decision got steadily reinforced by implemeting a quite horrid user interface for it, "monocles for the few elite" that once again turned the large potential payers base away and shortly after, very mediocre looking dress material.

Compare to the gorgeous looking Amarr stuff we used to see before our characters had been migrated into "3D"... just replicating the same laced dresses, the circlets, the necklaces... they could have made $5 here, $5 there. But no, we got this very stock looking, ugly greenish crap you can still see exactly on my portrait.



Besides these choices, we have the fact that playerbase is changing. And it's not just about new players. Veterans now have families, tighter schedules, less free time. Gone are the days of 12h nullsec roams or 3.30am "alliance ops" wake ups.

What about new players? Those more accustomed playing EvE on a smartphone (something which they are not going to see)? Those who can or want to play 30 minutes and then "park ship" and do other stuff? What about keeping the old players happy but also attract the new ones?

If EvE cannot cope with the new way of living and even new way of being, it's going to slowly decline. I have lived several MMOs shutdowns by now, and it's never been a nice thing to witness, at all.

What is CCP telling about that ? Do they at least aknowledge the facts ? And do they have a plan to save EVE from being populated only by a few hundreds "elite" players while falling down ?
Or have they already given up and are they just trying to milk us as much as possible before the end ?

Trying to move that ship through [insert choke system here] with gankers there might actually be fun. They decide to pull the trigger, your friends have something like a fight on their hands.

Well, the previous players "breed" learned about EvE some time before 2003, started playing say in 2005 and got tired several years later.

I am an average guy who started somewhere around 2007 and got "bored" of EvE in 2015 (I have achieved every objective I have set to myself).

Also, if you think about it, the decline started getting quicker once CCP stopped releasing "expansions".

The last REALLY, REALLY cool stuff I recall, is Apocrypha, which ironically has been labelled as a "very successful yet bad for quality" expansion by CCP.

Well, as a regular player, I really awaited for "the new stuff" with anticipation. If I had not yearly subs, I'd certainly subbed 1 month before expansion and for at least 3-4 months past expansion, just to try the new stuff out.

Actually this very behavior exhibited by the thousands is what made me very EvE rich, as there are certain commodities whose price massively spiked around new expansions and I took advantage of them. Therefore I may safely conclude that the above "sub 1 month before and then some months past expansion" behavior is not just mine, but reflects some thousands of players.

CCP has to study very well what happened to cause this players bleeding. EvE is A-WE-SO-ME when well populated, but it's very sad and its economy saddens (!!!) when players drop. Please, CCP, keep markets happy!

When I was playing World of Warcraft I loved the way they made ( still make I think ) everything new very clear to understand and very well explained to everyone.

When there were patches thy well are advertised clearly on their website on a very visible position some time before them, they were advertised clearly in the login screen and when I logged into the game I had many windows telling me what was new.

This is a user friendly way to deal with your customers and it means you are deemed important and you deserve to have all the informations easily available, you can decide to use them or not but they are there in front of you.

Their style can be deemed as a too colorful one so someone may not like it, but style or not everything was accurate, and they showed respect for their customers.

I think other companies, including CCP, should give a look at their way to keep players updated on new things and learn some from them maybe.

Edit: for example I've read somewhere there is some kind os cuncil of players calle CSM or something like that. I don't know if it's something official or what but if for example there are 3 or 4 candidates and I can vote for one having similar ideas to mine, I would be very happy to have a big screen when I enter the game and have some columns with their name and their general ideas and maybe every candidate with a link where I can find details and a button similar to a "poll" if I decide to give my vote.

It's just an example of a user-friendly way to make players partecipate to decisions or at least keep them update about what happens in-game.

https://updates.eveonline.com/

https://community.eveonline.com/home/

Really? CCP does ALL of that and more.

Yes, I noticed that information exists.

Maybe it's the way they are showed that makes them not easily available, not friendly.

It's like game tutorials, informations are there actually but the way they are put there are not friendly to the newcomers, and it generates confusion.

When I see something I analize it with the eyes of someone that has no time to "dig" informations, to "study" them.

But again maybe it's only an impression.

I'm really trying to figure out how to answer this without being rude.


Look at the two home pages and they are very similar.


https://www.eveonline.com/

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/

I think you are just grasping at straws at this point.

Yep..classic "it's everyone else's fault" mentality...