EVE General Discussion

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As someone that is A. Not a ganker and B. have occasionally been on the wrong side of the guns of said gankers I most confidently say that this is utter bullsh*t

Never forget it is a game, an escape from reality.

As such when you lose a ship, be cool about it. It's just part of the game.

Personally I was never ganked, but the only good I moved so far are little ones so I can use covert ops ships, and I use t1 ships for mining so it would not be a big loss even if I am exploded.

But what I see doing some little FW is the substantial attitude difference between FW players and Hisec players.

If I was ( and I was ) killed by a much more powerful ship in FW I receive suggestions and also some congratuation when I can do some decent fighting, even if dying.

I never saw a player taunting me, telling me that I need to learn to play, that I am stupid or that it's funny to collect tears from me.

And this happens from players that need to put some effords to kill me, it's not a one side fight.

The attitude of hisec suicidal gankers to the players they gank it exactly the contrary, and you can see it clearly the way they write here in the forums.

They taunt them, humiliate them, tell them they didn't learn to play and telling them they are stupid, cowards because they play in hisec and so on.

And at the same time they gain big money from them, while mechanics let them use cheap ships to explode very expensive ones easily.

This is really unbearable for any reasonable person, and it's becoming unaccettable for many players for sure, making them lose interest for this game that is very interesting for many other aspects.

*sigh* OK...1 more go...

You are comparing apples to oranges. They are not the same thing, they are barely even similar.

You want a fair comparison between the attitudes of FW players and the attitudes of gankers/gankees in high sec? Then do the following (we know you can afford it if you can get 4 accounts for no reason):

Step 1: Buy yourself a ship. Any ship really, something that isn't out of place in FW plexes. Maybe a cruiser?
Step 2: Fit it for the least tank possible, so it will explode really fast. Leave slots empty. Make it as bad of a fit as you can think of.
Step 3: Buy 5-10 PLEX, and put them in your cargohold.
Step 4: Fly the ship, with the PLEX still in it, into a site in the most firmly held enemy system you can find in your FW conflict.
Step 5: Wait there as long as it takes to die.
Step 6: Instead of warping your pod away after you die, rant in local at how unfair it was that they were able to kill you, because your ship was PLEX-tanked. Call them horrible people. Insult their mothers. Throw in some racial slurs/etc. I mean really LOSE IT - in local chat.
Step 7: After they pod you, keep sending them hate-filled messages via eve-mail until they stop responding.

Step 8: Come on the forums here and tell me how they reacted. I bet it will be pretty similar to how gankers treat their victims, because *now* you are doing the same thing the ganking victims do.


This is basic human psychology. You are still an idiot.

In the grim darkness of the far virtual future, there is only wah.

It doesn't have to be all of them. After the first few dozen people curse/insult you/threaten you/etc - you stop listening to them. It all blends together. It breeds true hatred, where before there was no particular feeling, just pixels in a space game.

Even the OP of this thread shows it - he *can't* limit himself to in-game discussion - he was compelled to insult them *outside of the game*.

It gets old, fast, even if it is only a vocal minority doing it. And it taints all future discussion with anybody on the subject, even if they manage to refrain from personal attacks/etc.


Again, this is basic human psychology.

Actually what I see in the forums ( but maybe I'm wrong, only my impression ) is the ganked players complaining because in their opinion mechanics make very easy for a ganker to solo gank them.

If to gank a 500 mil ship would take let's say 10 coordinated ships, every of them of a value of 10 mils, none would complain at all and it's still a 500 mil versus 100 mil ship value, a big difference.

Now everyone says a couple of Catalysts are more than good fo the job.

Ganked players complain about mechanics while the answers from gankers are often hos stupid they are and how funny is to collect tears from them.

I dunno what happens in-game, but on the forum this is my personal impression.

There's a bit of a double edged sword in all of these posts. The problem with this at the end of the day is that ganking is horribly unbalanced. As someone who has been an active participant in both ends of the spectrum I can see where each side has flaws.

Victim: you can't reasonably expect every hauler new or old to figure out those "safety rules". Eve is a game that takes time to master and understand. And while yes, gankers are in the right to think that players should be following these safety rules, but they do take time to learn.

Gankers: your life is too easy, same story with the watch list change. I know a change will **** you off to all hell like it did the merc corporations, but all you REALLY have to do is have 3-4 people, about 6m in destroyers and a looting industrial that probably doesn't fit your own safety rules. The steps to committing a gank or relatively simple to learn and do where as to the haulers, it's a more complex set that they must follow.

a lot of people, including CCP falcon are making real life comparisons to ganking in Eve and how concord "prosecutes" it's criminals. It's not eye for an eye. The only thing that's eye for an eye is you lose and **** and so do I. And eye for an eye is if I lose 3b, so should you. not only that, you can't make that comparison between concord and the real life police as there's no real consequence to dying in this game. So what, you're reborn only to go do it again? Last time I checked, when someone dies, they're gone for good and won't be able to commit that act again. I feel it VERY biased towards one side of the conversation to see CCP falcon make those claims - and to completely ignore the patters argument.

And to the people who argue that "Eve is a multiplayer game", "get friends to protect you", "fight back", etc. that's unreasonable to think that people can fight back as most ganks are over in about 10 seconds, why? - because concord. Last time I checked it took about that time for a hauler to lock onto a destoryer. As well as a ship that could feasibly nuke a moving destoryer in 10 seconds or less. To the eve is a multiplayer game, lol. You're right there are power in numbers, but then why is every activity out of Pvp, and even Pvp designed to be done by ONE player? Hell even gankers can get away with just one destoryer on a lonely mining barge - raise over a trillion Isk in MD forum - and then charge people monthly for "permits" where they just get blown up by other gankers anyways?

That's just my two cents, it just seems like ALL of the accountability lies on the people getting ganked, and little to none on the people doing it. There's no balance in that equation.

You are not putting 1 +1 together...you just see "us" collecting tears but don't use your brain as to WHY.

So I will ask you this:

Is it ok for a miner in mine AFK in a non tanked Covetor while in a 0.5 and EXCPECT to be 100% safe? And if this player is ganked, who's fault is it; the ganker, CCP's coding or the miner?

Oh dear back to stalking again, thought you had grown out of that.