EVE General Discussion

Because the mechanics allows gankers to run away from any consequences, were I to run after your disposable alt (yeah sure, cycling alts is against the rules, but I don't think CCP enforces this kind of rule much - and you don't even really need to cycle if you're a serious ganker), what kind of damage can I do to you? Blow up your cheap destroyer using cheap destroyers? How is that going to make up for the loss of a freighter and it's cargo? Or a 300m barge? These are alts you don't even keep logged on and only undock when you already have a target FFS. If you're ganking for fun you obviously dont care about such ridiculously small ISK losses.

I'm not saying that "ALL TEH CONSEEQUENSEEZ NEED TO COME FROM CONCORD", but some more should come from the game itself, like not being allowed to dock in a NPC station for at least 48H+ in a given system aswell as it's neighbouring systems after a gank - forcing you to make use of citadels ... Allowing ME to be able to fight back through wardecs and citadel takedown. Sure, you might just kick me and my friends arse BAD (we're talking about high sec here) when you defend, but I at least have a CHANCE to dish out some consequences for you being a **** to me and at least I can have some FUN too...

Because the mechanics allows gankers to run away from any consequences, were I to run after your disposable alt (yeah sure, cycling alts is against the rules, but I don't think CCP enforces this kind of rule much - and you don't even really need to cycle if you're a serious ganker), what kind of damage can I do to you? Blow up your cheap destroyer using cheap destroyers? How is that going to make up for the loss of a freighter and it's cargo? Or a 300m barge? These are alts you don't even keep logged on and only undock when you already have a target FFS. If you're ganking for fun you obviously dont care about such ridiculously small ISK losses.

I'm not saying that "ALL TEH CONSEEQUENSEEZ NEED TO COME FROM CONCORD", but some more should come from the game itself, like not being allowed to dock in a NPC station for at least 48H+ in a given system aswell as it's neighbouring systems after a gank - forcing you to make use of citadels ... Allowing ME to be able to fight back through wardecs and citadel takedown. Sure, you might just kick me and my friends arse BAD (we're talking about high sec here) when you defend, but I at least have a CHANCE to dish out some consequences for you being a **** to me and at least I can have some FUN too...

If you wont fight an untanked destroyer you sure as **** won't be trying to take down a Citadel that will hand out punishment in lumps. Seriously, the gank talos a lot use on freighter ganking are very profitable to gank and very catchable. Banning people from taking part in highsec piracy unless they are in a large organisation is not good for the game.

Except that the ganker Citadels are run by small alt corps, but the Goons do rush to their defence when they have a war dec. And the Citadels are very poor at dealing with sub caps. Again baltec1 goes trolling with blatant untruths and as for Malcanis's brain fart above

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If you wont fight an untanked destroyer you sure as **** won't be trying to take down a Citadel that will hand out punishment in lumps. Seriously, the gank talos a lot use on freighter ganking are very profitable to gank and very catchable. Banning people from taking part in highsec piracy unless they are in a large organisation is not good for the game.

That must be why people are not calling for the bubble citadels to be nerfed...

Seems the other thread I started was hijacked by people who apparently think in black-and-white terms, and was subsequently closed.

So you reopened it? That always ends well

I am not talking about eliminating the *ability* to gank in hi-sec, but rather increasing the penalty and consequences for those who do so, or otherwise making it more difficult to make a financial killing doing so with fairly little effort. From the killboard I'd seen, perhaps some of the *BIGGEST* ISK per time profit in the entire game - which is little surprise because most of the ISK making time was put in by those who the gankers are taking it from in a matter of seconds, with a minimum 15 minutes down time.

This *IS* wrong. The sociopaths of Eve (those who couldn't care less about other players feelings) ought not be some of the largest income earners in the game, and by the worst possible means, theft, causing harm (anger, frustration, despair) to others. Which some people like to denigrate as 'tears'. Please.

The fact of the matter is, a small handful of people, 2 involved in the actual ganking, and 1 or 2 others (for decloaking and scooping up loot, maybe an advance lookout), should not be able to destroy and take the hard earned ISK and efforts of other players so rapidly, with the ability to do so repeatedly for the entire day in hi-sec, often little more than 15 minutes apart from gank to gank.

There are a number of steps that could be employed to make this less profitable and endlessly enjoyable for these gankers (who lets face it *are* bad people, not only in game, but I'd place good money on their being bad people out of game too.)

Baseless assumption, and further irrelevant!

I've already mentioned the inability to dock up at NPC stations, including in a pod, or having CONCORD pod the offenders sending them back to a low or null-sec system. Eliminating the "dock your pod, wait a short while, get in you fully fitted ship at the station you docked your pod, rince, repeat of career gankers."

Does CONCORD always pod, or just when you commit the offense? Also, if my home station is in hisec, how does it get
decided where I'm sent to? Lorewise, how do I wake up in a medical clone that doesn't exist?

Among some other ideas, at the very least the criminal flag timer could be doubled or even quadrupled. From 15 minutes to 30 or 60 minutes. Suspect flag would remain at 15.

I'll just make an alt account with 3 slots, all gankers. I'll plex it with loot drops. By the time I gank the third freighter my first gank alt is ready again.

The sec-status loss could be increased. Or it could be based on the size of the gank, the frequency of ganking (more frequent gives higher-and-higher sec status loss per gank).

Threatening a ganker with sec status loss is like trying to threaten a frost giant with an air conditioner.

Gate guns could attack players with less negative security status. The ones who got me and were sitting on the gate had security status between -1 and -3. Why not have gate guns attack them? Particularly in a 0.9 like I was in. Gankers would have to sit outside the range of the guns and thus have a more difficult time ganking. Still not impossible just more difficult with more variability as to which mark is going to show up within range of them after decloaking.

Gankers sit outside the guns aligned to the gate. When a juicy industrial jumps through, warp in and blap.

There could be notifications on the gates leading to a gate in a system where a criminal act has recently occurred in the last hour at that gate. Perhaps red flashing lights which players might notice before jumping to that system. The map tells you how many ships were destroyed in the last hour, but not where or what the circumstances were (i.e. was it criminal, was it at a gate).

Or you could use a scout.

Give criminal flags and sec-status loss to anyone who loots the wreck left by someone who got a criminal flag. Or lock the can, so that only the victim can open it. Destroyed items are taken out of the game, but the ganker gets nothing.

This is bad. Why should only you be able to get back your items?

Or allow the player to choose total destruction of their cargo and fittings. Having been ganked a number of times I can assure you that it actually gives some degree of satisfaction to see nearly everything destroyed with the ship. Let players set an option or carry an item in their cargo that would utterly obliterate everything if they are splashed. The former giving the ganker no notice, the latter allowing a cargo scanner to see they are carrying such an item.

No.

Perhaps an item (it can be expensive and take a reasonable amount in the cargo hold) that remains in the wreck, and only goes off when someone tries to loot the wreck, that destroys the looting ship, along with any contents.

Just no. Suicide ganking is a legitimate career and there's no reason to neuter it beyond abloobloobloo gankers stole my stuff

These are ony a few of the possibilites to ensure that the worst people in Eve, engaging in the worst sociopathic activities in Eve, are not the most greatly rewarded players. Or at least increases the risk of their attrocious behavior.

A simpler solution would be to make it impossible to move or fit items above a certain value in hisec. Try and put more than 100m in cargo, the game just won't let you.

There, now an arbitrary and sweeping restriction on YOUR gameplay to fix the incompetence of a few has been proposed. Let's see you embrace a nerfed to your play style instead of calling for just one more nerfed to someone else's.