EVE General Discussion

Seems the other thread I started was hijacked by people who apparently think in black-and-white terms, and was subsequently closed.

I am not talking about eliminating the *ability* to gank in hi-sec, but rather increasing the penalty and consequences for those who do so, or otherwise making it more difficult to make a financial killing doing so with fairly little effort. From the killboard I'd seen, perhaps some of the *BIGGEST* ISK per time profit in the entire game - which is little surprise because most of the ISK making time was put in by those who the gankers are taking it from in a matter of seconds, with a minimum 15 minutes down time.

This *IS* wrong. The sociopaths of Eve (those who couldn't care less about other players feelings) ought not be some of the largest income earners in the game, and by the worst possible means, theft, causing harm (anger, frustration, despair) to others. Which some people like to denigrate as 'tears'. Please.

The fact of the matter is, a small handful of people, 2 involved in the actual ganking, and 1 or 2 others (for decloaking and scooping up loot, maybe an advance lookout), should not be able to destroy and take the hard earned ISK and efforts of other players so rapidly, with the ability to do so repeatedly for the entire day in hi-sec, often little more than 15 minutes apart from gank to gank.

There are a number of steps that could be employed to make this less profitable and endlessly enjoyable for these gankers (who lets face it *are* bad people, not only in game, but I'd place good money on their being bad people out of game too.)

I've already mentioned the inability to dock up at NPC stations, including in a pod, or having CONCORD pod the offenders sending them back to a low or null-sec system. Eliminating the "dock your pod, wait a short while, get in you fully fitted ship at the station you docked your pod, rince, repeat of career gankers."

Among some other ideas, at the very least the criminal flag timer could be doubled or even quadrupled. From 15 minutes to 30 or 60 minutes. Suspect flag would remain at 15.

The sec-status loss could be increased. Or it could be based on the size of the gank, the frequency of ganking (more frequent gives higher-and-higher sec status loss per gank).

Gate guns could attack players with less negative security status. The ones who got me and were sitting on the gate had security status between -1 and -3. Why not have gate guns attack them? Particularly in a 0.9 like I was in. Gankers would have to sit outside the range of the guns and thus have a more difficult time ganking. Still not impossible just more difficult with more variability as to which mark is going to show up within range of them after decloaking.

There could be notifications on the gates leading to a gate in a system where a criminal act has recently occurred in the last hour at that gate. Perhaps red flashing lights which players might notice before jumping to that system. The map tells you how many ships were destroyed in the last hour, but not where or what the circumstances were (i.e. was it criminal, was it at a gate).

Give criminal flags and sec-status loss to anyone who loots the wreck left by someone who got a criminal flag. Or lock the can, so that only the victim can open it. Destroyed items are taken out of the game, but the ganker gets nothing.

Or allow the player to choose total destruction of their cargo and fittings. Having been ganked a number of times I can assure you that it actually gives some degree of satisfaction to see nearly everything destroyed with the ship. Let players set an option or carry an item in their cargo that would utterly obliterate everything if they are splashed. The former giving the ganker no notice, the latter allowing a cargo scanner to see they are carrying such an item.

Perhaps an item (it can be expensive and take a reasonable amount in the cargo hold) that remains in the wreck, and only goes off when someone tries to loot the wreck, that destroys the looting ship, along with any contents.

These are ony a few of the possibilites to ensure that the worst people in Eve, engaging in the worst sociopathic activities in Eve, are not the most greatly rewarded players. Or at least increases the risk of their attrocious behavior.

I'm sorry but for me reading such an enormous wall of text is more annyoing than all hi-sec gankers combined. Also seeing all the racial and homophobic slurs of gank victims on the main ganking propaganda site makes me wonder which side really consists of "bad" people.

Changing your playstyle and avoiding being a victim is much better than asking for the devs to change the in-game mechanics.

I think Falcon will not post more about it, because he already posted about it. And if we will see something about that from CCP, it will be in CSM minutes at best.

If you want to reduce the income possible, then surely the place to start is with the people who don't protect themselves when they haul?

How is it the fault of the ganker if I choose to put several billion ISK worth of cargo in my ship and then fly through active systems without any assistance?

The thing with this is, if you give people a perception that things are safer, then they'll just carry more thinking they are safe and the total ISK values won't change.

Cultural change in highsec to understand the risks is the place to start.



And which players are these? Only 1 group? Do the industrialists, haulers or other people going about their thing care about other players any more than pvpers in highsec do?

By your simple (and too simplistic) definition of sociopath, surely you must realise that you just characterised large parts of the Eve community as sociopaths?


1. why?

2. How much are they earning?

Unfortunately this is just a typical 'holier than thou' thread that will just descend into typical insults, since that's the way the OP has started.

I think your post will be closed soon.

Personally I will not answer with my opinions anymore, I received a "Troll warning" email from ccp and I opened a ticket.

I will be back writing personal opinions as soon as I receive their explanations or apologizes, if I don't receive them I will close my 4 accounts.

Wish you good luck on this topic.

No worries

But as a customer (I paid much much more than any other game I played so far) I deem to be called a Troll an insult, so I need explanations.

Nothing else.

Yes.

EVE is unique and we play it because its not like other games. I want to be a pirate, this game lets me be a pirate and here you are trying to take that away so you can have a game like all the other games out there. Why should we lose our one game when you can simple play one of the thousands of other games out there that offer you what you want?

Why don't you cause some consequences? Ganking ships are ironically profitable to gank.

I have 2 main characters, the first one 8 years old. Been in nullsec, lowsec and hi-sec, been in nullsec wars, hisec wars and yet I still consider my characters to be mainly carebear*ish mostly.

You can learn to survive in hisec by spending a few months in low and nullsec, to quite honest I'd rather haul in nullsec any day compared to hauling hisec.

To cut a long story short, if you stay in hisec your denying yourself a major part of the game and won't develop those skills that make this game so interesting.

Bring back can flipping i say :P and increase concord response times :P

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