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- Proposal of Ship Scanning as Hostile Act Resolution -

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zus
TxivYawg
#1 - 2016-07-26 15:23:44 UTC
Proposal of Ship Scanning as Hostile Act in any solar system, pass the Resolution

Cargo Scanners / Ship Scanners use as Hostile Act.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2016-07-26 15:27:47 UTC
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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#3 - 2016-07-26 15:30:04 UTC
He means like if you peek up a lady's skirt, she'll get kinda hostile...usually.
I think grabbing a peek under a kilt is a lethal act. However, I know nothing of any of this personally.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.

Max Fubarticus
K Diamond Holding LTD.
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#4 - 2016-07-26 15:30:29 UTC
zus wrote:
Proposal of Ship Scanning as Hostile Act in any solar system, pass the Resolution

Cargo Scanners / Ship Scanners use as Hostile Act.


SorrySad

Down voting this one.

Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never. Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2016-07-26 15:31:19 UTC
Yup.
Peek up skirt is legit.
Thumb up the butt gets the whistle and truncheon.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2016-07-26 15:37:56 UTC
Explain why? Cargo scanning is completely harmless to the target ship.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#7 - 2016-07-26 15:42:25 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Explain why? Cargo scanning is completely harmless to the target ship.


Until you see that ship is carrying some precious cargo and then it's an expanding ball of particles.

It's being proposed as a method to engage Concord faster than normal, or in essence stop ganking behavior.

I vote no because if you are going to try to do something that has an effect on a given play style, you need to propose such an effect in the clear and not obfuscate it behind some mechanics change.

You say, "I think we need to do away with suicide ganking" and be done with it, let the chips fall where they may.

I, speaking only for myself, think it's fine as is since it's easily countered.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#8 - 2016-07-26 15:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentient Blade
Suggesting cargo scanning is harmless is the same as suggesting bumping a freighter out of alignment is harmless. Neither is currently an aggressive act due to game mechanics but the reality is it only serves one purpose when done on another ship.

Make cargo scanners make a person go suspect and job done. After all, if a police officer saw someone peeking in everyones' car windows he would get rightly suspicious.

Or... if you want to make it more meaningful gameplay.

Slap a big cycle time / reliability debuff modifier on the ship scanner based on the size of the target ships cargo. It would be much more interesting if it took say a minute to scan the cargo of a freighter (it is huge after all!) vs maybe 5 seconds to scan a frigate.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#9 - 2016-07-26 15:45:11 UTC
So basically every custom agent who works for the NPC corps and are checking for contraban such as exotic dancers in say a 1.0 minmirar system would be criminslly flagged? That seems like a bad idea. It's technically not just players who scan.

As for the notion of players.... Ok... So I create an alt that flies an ibis with a cargo scanner. By hostile act you mean one of two things... A concordable action or a criminal flag.

In the case of concordable, you've just created the easiest method of pulling concord from a gate, allowing gankers more time to kill frieghters. Through an attempt at changed a mechanic you dislike and a lack of understanding of the game mechanics, you've made it easier to gank targets. Congrats... I think. You've just buffed ganking.

If you mean criminal flag.... Oooo... People can kill am ibis scanning you. You'll still be scanned and ganked. So you've changed nothing.

In the mean time, you've made my life exceedingly difficult
We don't like neutral boosters in RvB. People use them despite the prohibition against it. The easiest way to start investigating this is to scan that odd neutral command ship/T3 cruiser. If they are running links that boost multiple types of tank or one that boosts warp disruption modules, chances are it is a neutral boost causing problems and has to be dealt with. If it just has shield boosts, it's more likely somone's mission alt trying to squeeze every last isk per second in. But no... Because you dislike a useful tool, my job becomes harder. Thanks.

Or say I am an explorer. Did you know cargo scanners let you are what's in a relic of data site can before hacking it? A quick scan saves me from wasting time on a can that is worthless. But nope, I lose that too because you don't like the mechanics of the game.

Just because you don't like done uses for a tool doesn't mean it should be banned. Real world anology... I can kill someone with a baseball bat, a hammer, a tire iron, golf club, length of rope, and a ton of other stuff... Let's make them illegal! Oh wait... They all have valid useful functions. In eve a cargo or ship scanner is no different.
zus
TxivYawg
#10 - 2016-07-26 15:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: zus
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Explain why? Cargo scanning is completely harmless to the target ship.



What is the motive in their use Question
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#11 - 2016-07-26 15:53:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentient Blade
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
So basically every custom agent who works for the NPC corps and are checking for contraban such as exotic dancers in say a 1.0 minmirar system would be criminslly flagged? That seems like a bad idea. It's technically not just players who scan.


This makes my brain hurt... or are you actually suggesting that NPCs follow all the same rules and CONCORD is just taking a day off when a rat starts shooting at you in a belt?

Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
As for the notion of players.... Ok... So I create an alt that flies an ibis with a cargo scanner. By hostile act you mean one of two things... A concordable action or a criminal flag.


We have a second mode called suspect.

Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
In the case of concordable, you've just created the easiest method of pulling concord from a gate, allowing gankers more time to kill frieghters. Through an attempt at changed a mechanic you dislike and a lack of understanding of the game mechanics, you've made it easier to gank targets. Congrats... I think. You've just buffed ganking.


CONCORD are being pulled off anyway... all that same IBIS has to do is blast anyone with a civilian gatling gun, and if they're going to drag CONCORD off they're going to already have that prepared.

...

Anyway, almost your entire post was nonsense I'm afraid so I'm just going to stop doing it line-by-line.

..

Also, ISD will be along in a few to move you to:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#12 - 2016-07-26 16:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
This would only lead to random ganking of haulers.... And punish those who play careful enough to not make themselfe a target.
Memphis Baas
#13 - 2016-07-26 16:51:13 UTC
Remove cargo scanners from the game.

Change all cargo holds to be made of glass, so that you can just see wtf everyone is carrying.

Or put it in the show info of the ship.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#14 - 2016-07-26 16:52:25 UTC
I can see validity on both sides of the issue; on the one hand, cargo scanners are non-hostile modules and their use by themselves denote no aggression, however their use is often an act that very exclusively proceeds intents that are hostile and aggressive.

Would adding an indicator, visual via the EWAR icons and maybe an audible one if needed, to let people know they've been scanned suffice as a compromise? Even a suspect timer seems a bit much, but as an extreme, would make better sense than further escalation in the aggression mechanics for simply scanning someone's cargo. At that point, you might as well argue that simply locking on to someone not in fleet and while non-logi or support boat denotes hostile intent or that using combat scan probes to scan down someone else is a hostile action because "why else would someone do that if they didn't have hostile intents in mind?" Both would be not only ridiculous to claim and arguments that would get you no where fast.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#15 - 2016-07-26 16:52:55 UTC
Oh no, this is already becoming ganker/antiganker battle too.

LolLolLolLolLol

HELP! ISD, CLOSE ALL TEH FORUMS, its an outbreak!
Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#16 - 2016-07-26 16:57:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Caco De'mon
Carrying weapons on ones ship should be considered as an act of hostility. We must make New Eden 100% safe from all violence and threatening acts. The color red is also too aggressive and also should be banned. Also the letter "x".

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2016-07-26 16:59:00 UTC
zus wrote:
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Explain why? Cargo scanning is completely harmless to the target ship.



What is the motive in their use Question

Curiosity, same with the ship scanner.
Verlyn
Windhau
#18 - 2016-07-26 17:00:41 UTC
What in the ****..

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE ?? WHERE DO YOU COME FROM ???
Buliki
Publicly Owned Customs Offices
#19 - 2016-07-26 17:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Buliki
THEY KNOW! SHUT IT DOWN!
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#20 - 2016-07-26 17:04:37 UTC
Verlyn wrote:
What in the ****..

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE ?? WHERE DO YOU COME FROM ???


Hate to break it to you, but it's GD; this IS where they come from.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

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