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Hisec POS for mfg/research?
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Mfanya Corshal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-07-25 12:09:31 UTC
I'm returning after a several year hiatus. Seems industry has changed quite a bit. When I left there were limited slots for mfg/research/invention but that's been replaced by the system cost index. Now, there's still the system cost for POS jobs but the draw for a hisec pos no longer being to have slots at all is it really advantageous for having one? Does the time/mats savings amount to enough advantage to justify the fuel/maintenance?
Aerilyn Neiliff
Neiliff Shipyards
#2 - 2016-07-25 19:39:00 UTC
I'm trying to zero in on what you are asking... is it worth it to have a HS POS when calculating in fuel and index costs?

My answer is "Yes, for beginners."

If you have at a minimum 500m in capital and a freighter, you can run 10 jobs (Adv Mass Production IV) and can make roughly 25M isk per day--that is buying minerals off the market, buying BPC's and selling straight to buy orders.

You can maximize profits by purchasing minerals through buy orders, buying ore and refining it, selling with sell orders and having a knack for market prediction. Make sure all your trade skills are up for this though.

You can also increase profit by getting more toons that can install more jobs (as long as you have the ISK for minerals and blueprints).

I've been doing it for a while. It works alright. But you won't get rich doing it... especially when there is no major conflict driving up demand.
Mfanya Corshal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-07-25 21:25:42 UTC
Thank you for the reply, Aerilyn Neiliff.

I understand the profitability of industry (we'll just use that term covering refining, building, researching, and inventing) and your analysis seems in line from my years-old experience so that's good to hear.

Let me just restate using different words and perhaps I'll make more sense. Is there enough of an advantage of an industrial POS in hisec these days to justify the fuel/upkeep costs? There are some time and material bonuses to the various arrays but is that generally enough to justify the expense and upkeep or did the "no slot limits" and system cost index system do away with the advantages a hisec POS used to have? I mean, "in the old days" you'd setup a hisec POS to just be able to have a slot to research/invent in at all but that's no longer the case.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2016-07-25 22:23:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
There are material and time reductions for using a POS.

That being stated, your fuel cost has to less-than-or-equal to the savings for there being any benefit.

I have a large POS. It costs roughly 450 million ISK per month for fuel. I easily earn four times that by doing "almost nothing", and a lot more by actively using it. I have regular customers for both manufacturing and research, which has made it easier for me to do "almost nothing".

The large tower allows me to keep all the labs and manufacturing arrays on-line at the same time (I have 62 manufacturing slots and 62 research slots ... and then there is my corp's slot usage too), plus it is a more significant attack deterrent.

EDIT: Industrial Arrays are expected in the fall, and Drilling Platforms in the winter. Asset security will decide whether I replace the POS with an Industrial Array, or switch to building in NPC stations.
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#5 - 2016-07-27 09:00:01 UTC
One very important change you should keep in mind:

The BPOs have to be in the POS laboratory and cannot be kept in the station for research, production and copying.
Therefore the risk to put 10 to 30B ISK as BPOs in a small unprotected POS is much higher than doing research without any bonus in a station.

I am talking about the RISK, not about profit etc.