EVE General Discussion

And it is, for people who find what it offers enjoyable. For me, when I lived in high sec, that was PVEing (mission running mostly) while not dying to gankers, baiters and can-flippers. THAT is the game for PVE focused players, PVEing despite opposition.

The real problem is that you have people who think that they should be able to play a game (that was built with minimal protections for players vs other players) in total peace and safety. It's the belief people like that (like you) have that is wrong, not the game's mechanics.

If you don't find EVE fun, rather than trying to make it unfun for the rest of us (game changes aimed at Gankers don't diminish their fun, but it sure takes the fun out of it for those of us that never asked for any help to combat gankers), consider either adapting to the game as it is, or finding another game.

Rookie griefing is actually against the eula love.

Who gives a **** aboit what other mmos do, none of fhem are eve, go run back to yoir comfort zone if you dont like the way eve puts your safety in your hands.
Edit: I hate this phone.

BTW, you should do this. If you did, you'd actually be helping the newbros and player retention.

Can I have your stuff? You can't take it with you to star citizen.

(Don't even think about claiming this one too Jonah!!)

We do it all the time. It kinda whips like this:
you sit at zero on the gate (or on top / below it). Sit STILL (don't orbit), because otherwise you'd have to re-align whereas from a stnadstill position your velocity vector goes straight where you need it.

This is the important bit: when something breaks gatecloak and cloaks up again, it remains visible to us for 1 second (even if it looks 'instantaneous' to you).

So what do we do? We double click on the overview (filtering out the purple in there helps because you know where the target will be in the list) to approach your location.

Mind you, when you cloak up, we have nothing to approach anymore so our thrusters shut down. To fix that, I have "Full Throttle" on a hotkey, to allow me to double-click and then hit the gas to keep going even after you cloak.

While you're still aligning, we come in 2km range of you and you decloak.

We then ctrl-click you, double click again (or orbit- whatever you fancy) lest we burn 37km off and out of range; hit F2 and yell "Point! BBQ"

As you can see, it is not an automated process. It takes a little practice getting it right; sometimes you have to eyeball it; sometimes double-clicking on the overview doesn't work but you have a rough idea where it was so you can double-click in space and maybe get lucky that way.

Using a fast-aligning ship is important because you only have a sec to align to the last known location; a ceptor, daredevil works exceedingly well but I've had decloaks on my nano Scythe.

Other tricks for decloaking include jetissoning bookmarks to create containers 12km around the gate, sitting around the gate @ 10km with drones out; and in highsec you might even get decloaked by other players, NPCs (customs frigates for example) or previous wrecks.

Fly safe!

I don't really expect the OP to read my post, but I felt like adding a few cents to the conversation.

Namely, your mistake is that you're still in High-Sec.

Now, bear with me for a moment. While I'm not going to try to imply your loss of "days of hard work" akin to 300m ISK is insignificant to you, in the grand scheme of things, it is insignificant. Consider what you had said yourself in your first post: these gankers made a profit of 3 billion in that same period of time. This alone should indicate to you that there are far better ways to balance time:money.

However, assuming that the notion of you preying on unsuspecting or careless players leaves as bad a taste in your mouth as there seems to be in acknowledging that such even exists, you probably don't want to "contribute to the problem" that you perceive. In keeping with the industry-centric theme, I would strongly encourage you to venture AWAY from High-Sec and consider Null or Wormhole space for your mining, and to do so among the company of other pilots who can at a minimum keep you company, or at best, provide guns or other deterrents.

First and foremost about mining in Null/WH systems is that the quality of ore and minerals tends to be distinctly better than High Sec. Using the default settings on http://eve-calculator.com/mining/income_calculator/ore.html shows that Veldspar varieties range between 35 and 39 million ISK per hour. This would need to be adjusted to your ship's qualities of course, but for sake of argument, let's stick with the defaults for now. Compare that 35m for Veld to Arkonor (46m), Bistot (47m), and Crokite (58m), all of which appear in WH mining sites in varying amounts. Mercoxit, though still rare even in WH sites, does appear periodically and cashes out at 122m/hour. Mining in Null sec is similar, but depends very much on how "deep" in Null you go. The lower the security rating of the system (they can go to -1.0), the better the general quality of mining ores you'll see. It is especially important to note that ALL wormhole systems function as if they are the lowest security rating (-1.0).

While Null and WH sites are "not-safe" and are truly open PVP areas with no automatic security, they do tend to benefit from their general seclusion. Mining sites deep in Null alliance-controlled territory provide a sense of safety and security in that wandering alliance members may spot roaming gangs long before they pose a threat to you. Further, given the functionality of the standings system and Local channels, the moment you notice names not flagged the way you've got friendlies marked serves as an instant way of telling when a threat is present, allowing you the time to engage a warp back to a Citadel or POS. Wormholes do not benefit from Local notification and tend to require more "active" means of watching your surroundings. Probes in space can be used to watch for new signatures (new Wormholes especially) with more accuracy than the overlay system, and your directional scanner can be used to look for ships in space. Paranoia pays off, here, and unrecognized hits should generally be a good indication that it's time to return to your Citadel or POS.

Now, in addition to mining, WH and Null sec provide vastly superior Planetary Interaction resources. When I'm not absolutely lazy about it, I've been able to make about 1 billion a month, per account (and that's with still being somewhat lazy) in what is largely passive income that just happens in the background. To further supplement mining, you can even consider gas harvesting to pass your time. In WH systems, Gas sites need to be scanned down using probes, giving you an extra layer of "protection" and additional time to notice the probes in space before any actual combat may occur against you.

On top of all of this is a huge supply of potential ISK by means of killing NPCs or scanning and running hacking/Arch sites. In both Null and WH space, the "days of hard work for 300m isk" can become "a few hours watching my scanner while chatting with my buddies on TeamSpeak for 300m isk."

EVE has a theme about risk and return, but it's a lot more complicated than that. The perceived risk/safety tends to be wildly misleading, especially in high-sec. High sec tends to make people think they are safe, when in reality, they tend to be less so than the "full pvp" systems of Null or WH space. This is due to your exposure rate to other players. In HS, you're constantly surrounded by players, MANY of whom mean you harm. Null sec regions are vast, and the deeper you go, the further you distance yourself from potential enemies (usually). WH systems and the mechanics that they operate in tend to require deliberate efforts to find and harass you, all of which are detectable IF YOU ARE LOOKING for them.

As you grow in your EVE career and your income grows with it, you'll begin switching to stronger, more specialized ships. Your T1 industrial never stood a chance. Train for and purchase a Deep Space Transport or a Blockade Runner if you wish to run your own cargo. Alternatively, consider doing the bare minimum of hauling yourself and contract the job to move it to market. I tend to never move my goods/loot from the first HS connection to the Wormholes I live in. Rather, there are people out there who are more than willing to pay a billion isk collateral to haul my PI or minerals for 800k-1m ISK per jump. Paying 23 million isk to have SOMEONE ELSE in a freighter move a billion worth of loot 23 jumps that I get paid for even if he dies halfway is certainly worth the 23m isk I offered for the task.

I used to fly with a corp that harassed me about doing PI in Deep Space Transports. Sure, they cost me ~200 million each, but I've managed to escape would-be assailants numerous times, including 2x Proteus and a Stratios. Be vigilant, be paranoid, but most importantly, be properly prepared.

Thats pretty much how I played the game as well for the 8 months I was subbed. It was great. I have no issues with that what so ever. And yes pvpers in lowsec are great, we allways said gf and sometimes gave eachother tips n tricks. I wouldn't want to change that part at all, as far as I can see it's a great system. That is not what I'm talking about though...

But but but, I pay 15 bucks, Im a customer and the fact that lots of other people exist and are also customers means nothing to me! CCP should give me what I want (total safety and freedom from the consequences of my own choices!), because, again, 15 bucks. I don't care if what I want goes against the game and would probably lead to it's destruction.

(Did I paraphrase the other side's argument well enough here, or do I need to add more snark and self-delusion???)

You forgot "think of the newbies" , "eve is dying (purple this summer","STAR CITIZEN WILL LOVE ME THE WAY YOU NEVER WILL!!!1!!1!1" and newly added to the list of mewling and theeth gnashing ... Racism.

OP, your SP weren't ganked - can I have them, please?