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CCP, why do you allow Hi-Sec to be a haven for gankers

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#61 - 2016-07-25 14:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Nana Skalski wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What they deserve more customers that embrace the niche nature of their product, and less customers like you.

You are developing product to suit needs of your consumers, consumerbase is developed by whole market.
Eve is a niche product, it's aimed at filling a small part of the market that demands things that are not the norm; Eve has always appealed to a minority demographic of gamers, you only need to look at the overall trends, such as age and profession in the customer base, to see that, it was never meant to appeal to people that don't like the nature of it.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2016-07-25 14:42:53 UTC
reason concord protection exist is to deter attacks in highsec, but only that.

it's realistic.

if you look at rl the police act as a deterrent for criminals to do as they please, so they don't stop crime from happening they only show up after the fact.

pirates like most criminals are looking for easy money.... if you happen to fly in a low ehp ship and fill the cargo with 30x the value of the hull then naturally you're just asking for it.

Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#63 - 2016-07-25 14:42:57 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This is the reason I think it would be well deserved if all hisec players would go "on strike" for some months or leave the game.

I would probably start mining since the ore would now be much more valuable.

On the other hand there are a lot of highsec miners and industrialists which are perfectly capable of operating with gankers in the system. They are even glad we kill of their stupid competition who are too dumb to play the game and get killed in their untanked and unprepared ships. I don't know how many times I got a stack of free Catalysts and a thank you from a happy local highsec industrialist.
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#64 - 2016-07-25 14:46:54 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.
See post #39


Well,

It's a game but even being it a game it's quite disgusting to see all those pvp forum heroes being racists with players that prefers to stay in hisec to do mining industry and so on.

I do it only with one of my characters and I think Eve is pathetic on that side and developers are incredibly lazy to update missions and so on despite their arrogant way to point out players weaknesses in hisec.

I also think they are lucky because maybe this one is the only game that allows some activities to be done with a really slow pace ( mining, industry and so on ) and it can be played on old pc.

So there are many "old" players that have family and children and so on that can play here on Eve because it allows them to play in a "relaxed" way, totally different from "console style" or "action style game".

So that said developers can figuratively spit on "carebear" face letting other forum heroes belonging in a racist way.
Im ok with you being able to carebear it up in high sec. I am even more ok with "Ima Wreckyou" from code, who posted above, to be able to gank you, wardec you, scam you, make you pay "protection money", and any other thing "Ima Wreckyou" wants to do to you while you enjoy your stay in high sec.

I tell this all the time to highsec bears... if you dont like high sec and the nature of it, then move to null. It pays better and is generally safer.

If you havent noticed, CCP's updates to content only really ever affects high sec by proxy a majority of the time. There is a reason for this. CCP doesnt really want you to hang out in high sec forever. They want you to venture out into the actual game. CCP is very big on players playing without restrictions from the actual game. High sec is a huge restriction to gameplay intended to somewhat protect new players by discouraging harming new players. However CCP encourages you to get out of high sec without actually forcing you out of high sec because they want you to play the game.

Eve is a niche game, for niche players. CCP purposely tries to be different than other game companies and for eve to be different from other games. They want Eve to be a different experience, not a clone of "X". People come here and complain because its different and want to change it, to be more similar to mainstream titles. No one here wants it to be like a mainstream title, thats why we play it.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#65 - 2016-07-25 14:47:50 UTC
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#66 - 2016-07-25 14:50:31 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I will call this particular chauvinism, a CCPnism. Sounds somewhat like syphilis. Pirate


Chauvinism? Again, how is understanding the game, and accepting that as individuals it is our personal responsibility to keep our selves safe some form of "chauvinism"?

Why would you choose to play EVE if you don't even like what EVE is?
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#67 - 2016-07-25 14:51:51 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
I am even more ok with "Ima Wreckyou" from code, who posted above, to be able to gank you, wardec you, scam you, make you pay "protection money", and any other thing "Ima Wreckyou" wants to do to you while you enjoy your stay in high sec.


In about three different threads, CODE and CODE aligned players are begging for the Skiff to be nerfed Roll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Nostromo Fidanza
Blueprint Mania
#68 - 2016-07-25 14:53:39 UTC
Yes this topic has been beaten to death so will try not to post anymore on this topic but:

I strongly disagree with Loci Lollipop.

Ok so let's take your idea and all the other anti-ganking people's idea and make high-sec 100% safe.

Ok you probably made some ice miners happy but then what? Long-term you've damaged eve and taken away what makes it unique. The whole point of eve is that it's dangerous. That's why we like it right?! I understand where some are coming from I really do. I'm not a miner but I move items sometimes as a trader and have been ganked. Yes it sucks feels bad. You feel embarrassed, feel like you've wasted your time etc etc. But you know what? You step back for the night and come back the next time and learn from it and do better. That's why we enjoy eve. It's harsh but it teaches you how to better yourself in game. It's awesome.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2016-07-25 14:54:26 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This is the reason I think it would be well deserved if all hisec players would go "on strike" for some months or leave the game.

I would probably start mining since the ore would now be much more valuable.

On the other hand there are a lot of highsec miners and industrialists which are perfectly capable of operating with gankers in the system. They are even glad we kill of their stupid competition who are too dumb to play the game and get killed in their untanked and unprepared ships. I don't know how many times I got a stack of free Catalysts and a thank you from a happy local highsec industrialist.


Only in your dreams.

I have the opinion the game would be closed after maybe a couple of month without the income of all the hisec players that I really think are much more than what you imagine.
Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#70 - 2016-07-25 14:54:44 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Lolipops, Its not racism, its called playstyle chauvinism.
Wrong, it's a question of attitude. Being a carebear is an attitude, not a playstyle.

If your attitude is that you shouldn't have to do anything to protect yourself in hisec because CCP should make hisec safe for you then people are going to deride you; firstly because you're a carebear, and secondly because Eve is not that kind of game and never has been.



I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#71 - 2016-07-25 14:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I will call this particular chauvinism, a CCPnism. Sounds somewhat like syphilis. Pirate


Chauvinism? Again, how is understanding the game, and accepting that as individuals it is our personal responsibility to keep our selves safe some form of "chauvinism"?

Why would you choose to play EVE if you don't even like what EVE is?

You seem to not realize what I like and what I dont like. Playing the game suggests I at least somewhat like it, but do I have to like everythiong about it? Of course no. What counts is do I feel like playing the game or not, because of things that I like or not like.

That I express my feelings about the gameplay now, doesnt mean I did not had in mind all of it for a long long time. Just now seems to be good moment to say something.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#72 - 2016-07-25 14:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This is the reason I think it would be well deserved if all hisec players would go "on strike" for some months or leave the game.

I would probably start mining since the ore would now be much more valuable.

On the other hand there are a lot of highsec miners and industrialists which are perfectly capable of operating with gankers in the system. They are even glad we kill of their stupid competition who are too dumb to play the game and get killed in their untanked and unprepared ships. I don't know how many times I got a stack of free Catalysts and a thank you from a happy local highsec industrialist.


Only in your dreams.

I have the opinion the game would be closed after maybe a couple of month without the income of all the hisec players that I really think are much more than what you imagine.
Most nullsec players have hisec alts, I'd wager real cash money on most lowsec and wormhole players having them too; the number of players that solely play in hisec is probably much lower than you imagine.

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Ramses Davaham
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2016-07-25 15:00:17 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This is the reason I think it would be well deserved if all hisec players would go "on strike" for some months or leave the game.

I would probably start mining since the ore would now be much more valuable.

On the other hand there are a lot of highsec miners and industrialists which are perfectly capable of operating with gankers in the system. They are even glad we kill of their stupid competition who are too dumb to play the game and get killed in their untanked and unprepared ships. I don't know how many times I got a stack of free Catalysts and a thank you from a happy local highsec industrialist.


Only in your dreams.

I have the opinion the game would be closed after maybe a couple of month without the income of all the hisec players that I really think are much more than what you imagine.


An opinion is not a fact.....good thing too considering how utterly moronic it is.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#74 - 2016-07-25 15:01:32 UTC
Ramses Davaham wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This is the reason I think it would be well deserved if all hisec players would go "on strike" for some months or leave the game.

I would probably start mining since the ore would now be much more valuable.

On the other hand there are a lot of highsec miners and industrialists which are perfectly capable of operating with gankers in the system. They are even glad we kill of their stupid competition who are too dumb to play the game and get killed in their untanked and unprepared ships. I don't know how many times I got a stack of free Catalysts and a thank you from a happy local highsec industrialist.


Only in your dreams.

I have the opinion the game would be closed after maybe a couple of month without the income of all the hisec players that I really think are much more than what you imagine.


An opinion is not a fact.....good thing too considering how utterly moronic it is.


Moronic you say to your mother....
Nostromo Fidanza
Blueprint Mania
#75 - 2016-07-25 15:01:44 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
This is the reason I think it would be well deserved if all hisec players would go "on strike" for some months or leave the game.

I would probably start mining since the ore would now be much more valuable.

On the other hand there are a lot of highsec miners and industrialists which are perfectly capable of operating with gankers in the system. They are even glad we kill of their stupid competition who are too dumb to play the game and get killed in their untanked and unprepared ships. I don't know how many times I got a stack of free Catalysts and a thank you from a happy local highsec industrialist.


Only in your dreams.

I have the opinion the game would be closed after maybe a couple of month without the income of all the hisec players that I really think are much more than what you imagine.


No. PL would even start mining if the price of ore/ice got high enough. You are replaceable.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#76 - 2016-07-25 15:01:53 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I really don't cry at all and I really don't care


Why are you waving your hand at us in Jedi mind-trick fashion? It doesn't work IRL.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#77 - 2016-07-25 15:02:14 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I have the opinion the game would be closed after maybe a couple of month without the income of all the hisec players that I really think are much more than what you imagine.

lead the way!

Don't forget to contract me your stuff before you go
Maekchu
Doomheim
#78 - 2016-07-25 15:02:43 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I have the opinion the game would be closed after maybe a couple of month without the income of all the hisec players that I really think are much more than what you imagine.

Sure, it's all doom and gloom. EvE has been dying since 2003.

The real question is, why do you guys keep playing a game that clearly creates discomfort for you?

Do you like self-inflicted pain and misery? Why don't you just quit and end the suffering, if it really is so bad?


Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2016-07-25 15:05:26 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I have the opinion the game would be closed after maybe a couple of month without the income of all the hisec players that I really think are much more than what you imagine.

lead the way!

Don't forget to contract me your stuff before you go


Nah, I don't lead the way because I know how marginal is hisec gaking actually.

I love Eve and I am not a carebear, as you call them, but I respect others playstyles totally and I would never have the arrogance of telling them "learn to play", even if they enjoy mining on a venture from morning to night.

They pay subscription ( or plex or whatever ) exactly as as everyone else.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#80 - 2016-07-25 15:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I see more CCPnists come to the resccue of falling numbers of subscribers amount. They do it their own way. As always.