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CCP, why do you allow Hi-Sec to be a haven for gankers

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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#41 - 2016-07-25 14:16:05 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.


Because that's how the game as been since friggin' day 1? This horse has been beaten and ground into a pulp. There are so many ways you can protect yourself. I used to live in HS and we were attacked in belts, at gates, in missions. We didn't cry or complain. We looked at what happened, how they did it, and adapted. Y'know like everyone else the first decade of the game.
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#42 - 2016-07-25 14:16:30 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.
See post #39
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#43 - 2016-07-25 14:18:14 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.

Oh so its the devs fault that you cant reconcile with eves nature now?
Grow up.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#44 - 2016-07-25 14:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
..if you see this in that light, as real life model, let these criminals in game prisons for some time, that would be a quick way of getting rid of them.

How about 15min?

What about ban on high sec for one month, gates would not let you in.
CONCORD pods you and you wake up in prison colony in low sec.
Cant jump clone to high.


Yep, that sure does sound like fun in a game that is supposed to be dangerous all the time.

I have a better idea, how about people learn to play (surviving, and thwarting the schemes of those who want to kill you is a big part of the game) rather than trying to figure out how to get CCP to punish people who spent the time to learn how to play?

Same as wardec vs established industrial corporation in High. Very funny indeed.
They l;earned how to play the game also. But they learned not to be gankers and wardec spammers. Yes, I am as realistic as it goes, all the way. More than Falcon would ever allow the game to be probably, but he is community manager.

Responsibility is not a button, it must have consequences and you know how they look in real.

Question is, we go for realism or just a mocking caricature of it? Now its just a caricature.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#45 - 2016-07-25 14:20:43 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.


Actually that is on the way to happening, note that the OP even suggested a more meaningful penalty:

Quote:
the NPC stations being off limits to them (including if they have medical clones there, which if they do, that clone will be automatically moved to a low or null sec system).


Which was completely ignored by the Dev.

Many of us see CONCORD as a joke, it is akin to 15 minutes community service for a murder in RL. RollLol Consequences...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#46 - 2016-07-25 14:23:50 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.


I'm a miner and a social player and a pve player. Why would CCP lose me because someone at CCP explained the nature of the game to people who are obviously clueless?

Most of us who are PVE focused understand the pvp nature of the game, and embrace it, and even use it (nothing is better than using NPCs to kill a pvp player who is trying to kill you while you pvp, I've done so doing Guristas MAZE and Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard).

That folks like you can't get with the program is a personal issue, not one involving all pve players. CCp is treating us just fine, they give us tools to screw with pvp nerds all day long.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#47 - 2016-07-25 14:25:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.
It won't happen, many of the hisec miner/social/PvE players are also wardeccers, pirates and gankers or are well aware of the nature of the game and plan accordingly.

I'm one of those that plans accordingly, kindly desist from associating me with people who want the game to change to suit them.

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I think developers really deserve it.
What they deserve is more customers that embrace the niche nature of their product, and less customers like you.

In with a preemptive can I have your stuff, your SP and your corpse?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2016-07-25 14:28:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Lollipops
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.
See post #39


Well,

It's a game but even being it a game it's quite disgusting to see all those pvp forum heroes being racists with players that prefers to stay in hisec to do mining industry and so on.

I do it only with one of my characters and I think Eve is pathetic on that side and developers are incredibly lazy to update missions and so on despite their arrogant way to point out players weaknesses in hisec.

I also think they are lucky because maybe this one is the only game that allows some activities to be done with a really slow pace ( mining, industry and so on ) and it can be played on old pc.

So there are many "old" players that have family and children and so on that can play here on Eve because it allows them to play in a "relaxed" way, totally different from "console style" or "action style game".

So that said developers can figuratively spit on "carebear" face letting other forum heroes belonging in a racist way.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#49 - 2016-07-25 14:29:22 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.

Oh so its the devs fault that you cant reconcile with eves nature now?
Grow up.


There are always people like that, most of the arguments had on this forum is with people who can't (as you say) "reconcile with eves nature".

We can tell them all day that this is their problem, we can show them how we (those who can accept what the game is) are way happier day to day than they are, and how we enjoy the game more and consider it time and money well spent. But that won't change a thing, because the problem is so deeply with them (ie they are the kind of people who can't really be happy with anything) that no outside perspective can help them.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#50 - 2016-07-25 14:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.
See post #39


Well,

It's a game but even being it a game it's quite disgusting to see all those pvp forum heroes being racists with players that prefers to stay in hisec to do mining industry and so on.

I do it only with one of my characters and I think Eve is pathetic on that side and developers are incredibly lazy to update missions and so on despite their arrogant way to point out players weaknesses in hisec.

I also think they are lucky because maybe this one is the only game that allows some activities to be done with a really slow pace ( mining, industry and so on ) and it can be played on old pc.

So there are many "old" players that have family and children and so on that can play here on Eve because it allows them to play in a "relaxed" way, totally different from "console style" or "action style game".

So that said developers can figuratively spit on "carebear" face letting other forum heroes belonging in a racist way.
Explain the racism o madam snowflake
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#51 - 2016-07-25 14:29:40 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.
It won't happen, many of the hisec miner/social/PvE players are also wardeccers, pirates and gankers or are well aware of the nature of the game and plan accordingly.

I'm one of those that plans accordingly, kindly desist from associating me with people who want the game to change to suit them.

Quote:
I think developers really deserve it.
What they deserve more customers that embrace the niche nature of their product, and less customers like you.

You are developing product to suit needs of your consumers, consumerbase is developed by whole market.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#52 - 2016-07-25 14:30:23 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:

Same as wardec vs established industrial corporation in High. Very funny indeed.
They l;earned how to play the game also. But they learned not to be gankers and wardec spammers. Yes, I am as realistic as it goes, all the way. Mre than Falcon would ever allow the game to be probably, but he is community manager.

No, they did not learn how to play the game. You are not an isolated player in this multiplayer sandbox and you compete with other players even if you only do mining and industry. There are a ton of options on how to do this in a way that makes you almost untouchable for other players already. Yet you still come to the forums and cry for more safety.. there is nothing wrong with the game, you are simply really really bad at EVE.
Ramses Davaham
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2016-07-25 14:30:28 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.

I think developers really deserve it.
See post #39


Well,

It's a game but even being it a game it's quite disgusting to see all those pvp forum heroes being racists with players that prefers to stay in hisec to do mining industry and so on.

I do it only with one of my characters and I think Eve is pathetic on that side and developers are incredibly lazy to update missions and so on despite their arrogant way to point out players weaknesses in hisec.

I also think they are lucky because maybe this one is the only game that allows some activities to be done with a really slow pace ( mining, industry and so on ) and it can be played on old pc.

So there are many "old" players that have family and children and so on that can play here on Eve because it allows them to play in a "relaxed" way, totally different from "console style" or "action style game".

So that said developers can spit on "carebear" face letting other forum heroes believing in a racist way.


Ironic - considering the arrogance is all on you. Learn to read before you start mouthing off at things you don't understand.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#54 - 2016-07-25 14:31:44 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
racist way.


Dude, Hisec is not a RACE. Even is it was, High Sec Lives still wouldn't matter...

Twisted
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#55 - 2016-07-25 14:34:39 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
It's a game but even being it a game it's quite disgusting to see all those pvp forum heroes being racists with players that prefers to stay in hisec to do mining industry and so on.

The only good highsec miner is a dead highsec miner (or a CODE compliant one obviously).
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2016-07-25 14:35:18 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

Same as wardec vs established industrial corporation in High. Very funny indeed.
They l;earned how to play the game also. But they learned not to be gankers and wardec spammers. Yes, I am as realistic as it goes, all the way. Mre than Falcon would ever allow the game to be probably, but he is community manager.

No, they did not learn how to play the game. You are not an isolated player in this multiplayer sandbox and you compete with other players even if you only do mining and industry. There are a ton of options on how to do this in a way that makes you almost untouchable for other players already. Yet you still come to the forums and cry for more safety.. there is nothing wrong with the game, you are simply really really bad at EVE.


Nah, I really don't cry at all and I really don't care about what you do or not on your catalyst, you can spend all your life exploding yourself in hisec if it makes you happy.

What is disgusting is to see all those forum heroes, including you, taunting hisec players with the support of game developers.

This is the reason I think it would be well deserved if all hisec players would go "on strike" for some months or leave the game.

I know some of them and they would not do because actually gank rate is ridicolously slow in-game despite what gankers write here, so basically it's marginal.
Nostromo Fidanza
Blueprint Mania
#57 - 2016-07-25 14:35:20 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
But where was anti-ganking to save the OP?


lolz EXACTLY. That should be the main takeaway from the OP's post.
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#58 - 2016-07-25 14:38:22 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

Same as wardec vs established industrial corporation in High. Very funny indeed.
They l;earned how to play the game also. But they learned not to be gankers and wardec spammers. Yes, I am as realistic as it goes, all the way. Mre than Falcon would ever allow the game to be probably, but he is community manager.

No, they did not learn how to play the game. You are not an isolated player in this multiplayer sandbox and you compete with other players even if you only do mining and industry. There are a ton of options on how to do this in a way that makes you almost untouchable for other players already. Yet you still come to the forums and cry for more safety.. there is nothing wrong with the game, you are simply really really bad at EVE.


Nah, I really don't cry at all and I really don't care about what you do or not on your catalyst, you can spend all your life exploding yourself in hisec if it makes you happy.

What is disgusting is to see all those forum heroes, including you, taunting hisec players with the support of game developers.

This is the reason I think it would be well deserved if all hisec players would go "on strike" for some months or leave the game.

I know some of them and they would not do because actually gank rate is ridicolously slow in-game despite what gankers write here, so basically it's marginal.



It's not taunting if they're just telling how it is. That is the nature of the game. End of story.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#59 - 2016-07-25 14:38:47 UTC
Fine. I'll take some prison time for suicide ganking, but then you also need to stop Highseccers from leaving a corp that is wardecced.

Like you guys say, there need to consequences for your actions, so there should also be consequences for making a corp you can't defend.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#60 - 2016-07-25 14:41:11 UTC