EVE General Discussion

Well you can't deny people moving from regions of highsec will affect trade hubs (and not only the 4--5 major ones, but also the local ones such as Nonni/Torrinos in Caldari space, for instance). Even the simple fact of moving to another area of highsec opens new and different doors when it comes down to exploration, joining new corps, meeting new players, entering nullsec. It is the very least this will accomplish.

Moving on to lowsec. Although this is almost food for a completely different thread, there are tons of rewards in there provided you have basic knowledge of PVP and how to avoid it. Among others, level 5 missions, the occasional rare gas clouds (cytocerocin types), cruiser-size exploration loot and simply better level 4 mission rewards... this would make the lowsec of the most under-populated highsec regions THAT MUCH MORE profitable. As it stands, a level 5 rewards you around 50-100 mil after lp conversion. If rewards are doubled in the underused regions, this just skyrockets to 100-200 mil rewards for a single level 5 mission... what? I try to avoid speaking about lowsec in here even if this is the region I have the most experience in, simply because I do not want to start yet another "move people to lowsec" thread.

Now to 0.0 - seriously? You do not think good anomalies is what brings those 1000's of people to join alliances? Once all your miners and ratters have moved on to join other corps, who is left in your alliance? CEO's, Manufacturers and the few leet pvper's? Good luck defending your space now against the 1000's of ratters that left your corp 2 months ago lol. Everyone I know joins alliances when they need to make ISK. The PVP aspect is yet just another bonus but also a curse, since you can essentially PVP while living in lowsec without those *beloved* call to arms. Some take the 100% corp tax during fleet ops very seriously...

LOOOOVING all the "OP is a big dumb stupidhead" comments. (not really)

What is it about discussing making the game more competitive and PVP oriented (in all things) that brings out the "your idea is stupid!" people? I mean, not a single reply voicing disagreement with the OP has any semblance of a reasonable argument and/or any intelligence what so ever. Are all the carebears really that stupid? Anyway, I digress. On to the matter at hand:

I think that the OP is on to something, but the idea is too simple and broad. Some quick thoughts:

PVP is always better than no PVP (in EVE), in all things. This is a basic truth.

Currently there is little to no resource PVP in EVE for the majority of resource types. Example: on a percentage basis, I'm sure less than 1% of all the Trit available in EVE is mined per day. This doesn't even begin to cover mineral streams from other resources (rogue drones, recycled loot drops).

Having any resource go to zero is unacceptable.

Anything static in the game, resource wise, is most likely bad.


Some refined ideas to build upon the OP's concepts:

I think that the general concept is okay, but let's build in some thresholds-

As areas are over-mined the resources should have continually reduced respawn rates until a lower threshold is reached, say 5% of the normal respawn rate, at which point the rate will never decrease. There will always be a tiny amount regenerating, but so little that it won't be worthwhile. Also, since respawns are no longer tied to downtimes, this will be more viable for players who don't have the downtime in the middle of their optimal play hours.

In order for the above to have any benefit, "mining with guns" needs to stop. Right now. Mission runners should loot BPCs and Rogue Drones should drop something else entirely. Possibly advanced drone parts to make specialty/more advanced drones. When was the last time drone users got any love?

Everything needs to be able to be depleted to the point of near uselessness. The population pressures will push players into little used high sec and low sec systems for additional resources. There are VAST areas of systems with little to no population. Further more, when was the last time you heard of anyone getting in a turf war over asteroid belts? I'm betting never. All those easily defensible dead end low sec systems would become gold mines (no pun intended), just for their ore.

Carebears/botters don't want anything to happen to the status quo because they'll lose their "free" revenue stream. True miners will see the value of the above. All of a sudden a highly skilled miner's time will skyrocket as the price for minerals increases and surprise surprise- miners are the *only* characters in game that can generate the raw materials that everyone else needs to exist. A high quality mining team should be held in high regard, not be seen as the biggest joke in EVE as they currently are. And if you think otherwise, you're probably one of those miners that everyone laughs at behind your back.

So do I think we need a capped economy or finite resources? No. But I do think we need a dynamic resource distribution system and for resources to be nearly depletable, particularly in high sec.

One other thing: player ship wrecks: in addition to traditional salvage, miners should be able to "recycle" them for pure minerals. Player's ship wrecks should be extremely valuable in comparison to any NPC wreck, by two or three orders of magnitude.

That reminds me... I need to write a post about my collective thoughts on mining...

Did not read entire thread ...

Except for a few one off ships and items, there is only one thing in Eve that is limited, that element is time. Sadly in Eve, there are more than a few activities that generate more then one kind of resource at the same time. These duel role activities need to be reformed.

By narrowing the types of resources generated by any one activity, more seeming scarcity will be generated - more time from the players will be required to generate the same amount of raw materials.

Consider the example of widgets and foos. Suppose that an activity generates 10 widgets and 10 foos for one hour of play time. We could say that each item is worth 1/20th of an hour. But suppose that only 10 widgets are generated for one hour at the activity, widgets are now worth 1/10th of an hour, and someone else needs to pick up on foo production with another hour of game play.

It is time for CCP to start paying attention to divisions of labor, specialization and relativity inelastic consumables.

This:



Calls into question the validity of this claim:

Yes thank you. I don't necessarily disagree with you, I just wanted that fleshed out a bit more. Personally I'd be willing to go the grav site direction, I've suggested as much in the past.

Either that, or they run around ganking industrials and noob players for cheap lulz.

+1 to Option 1. :)

It's called "LP store", people bid their LP or the resulting mods at the lowest price.

I like the idea of resource scarcity, but to COMPLETLY depelete all resources is a bad idea, eventaully that factor ALONE will kill eve.

the idea should be to SIMULATE not actually create, perhaps it takes much longer to regenerate resources and you have to let it "rest" to replenish or something or get little.

would help to create an incentive to mine in lower-sec.

still the only issue is that here there are no personal concerns for total economic collapse, people just leave the game entierly if that happens, in RL we starve if that happens.

Here is more food for thought concerning ratting in nullsec:

So yes, some people will fight for "control over moons" or "more area of space", but these reasons only really motivate CEOs and their macroing assistants (I don't mean bots, but people who play EVE using the galaxy map rather than regular ship view).

Your average alliance member, which constitute likely around 90%, he/she will fight when either forced by CTAs or under the premise of "securing" and "defending" space. Yes, you are told a certain op will make the alliance richer, but few actually get rewarded for their efforts in war. Participation in combat is seen more like a "duty in order to keep living" rather than "means to an end". Once combat withers, we celebrate killmails and go back to the reason most of us actually joined in the first place: mining, ratting, exploration or small-scale PVP.

The reason behind this is because there is no significant difference living in region A or in region B when it comes down to ISK/hour. To the established alliances, not much drives their core to attack elsewhere.

With resource scarcity, you can now have regions being two-to-three times more profitable, giving all participants a reasonable incentive to fight for.

But the implications of scarcity do not stop here: assuming only two major alliances start war over "High-Income Region A" [HIRA] and alliance 1 has 1000 members while alliance 2 has 2000 members. Alliance 2 takes possession of HIRA but soon realizes the region can only support 500 active members... I leave it to your imagination on the dozens of the possibles outcomes from here. My personal favorite is "alliance 2 trims the fat and reduces its size to 500 members... then gets overrun by alliance 1... "