EVE General Discussion

Looking at a list of kills two ganker characters (and at least two or three support characters) had made over the course of a day ganking small industrials , they had made at least 2 - 3 billion ISK in dropped cargo (not including the losses from destroyed items).

They got me, and I did everything you can do including cloaking up at burning away from the gate when I saw them sitting on the gate. One of their support characters used some technique (perahps automated) , to see me in the brief second I appeared before my cloak engaged and zipped straight toward me in a remarkably fast ship, which stopped once my cloak engaged, but they were able to then manually hit their thrusters and get within range to decloak me. Frankly I don't see this being done and so very effectively wihout some sort of automated assistance.

With two Vexors they had my tanked gallente industrial destroyed in mere seconds. Well before CONDORD arrived in a 0.9 system.

At any rate, not only are they able to make billions from the hard effort many of these other players put in over days (I lost 300 million in minerals that took me many days to mine, and some others lost considerably more), but they were doing this in 0.8 and 0.9 systems! Systems where they could then immediately dock up after CONCORD destroyed their ships to wait out their timers, get into fresh ships, and head back to the gate for their next victim.

It's long past time you put your foot down CCP and make this sort of ganking in High-sec considerably less viable. Including things like CONCORD podding the gankers, the NPC stations being off limits to them (including if they have medical clones there, which if they do, that clone will be automatically moved to a low or null sec system).

Decloaking people in a slow industrial is not that hard. Let's not assume cheats are involved, just because you got caught with too much cargo in a T1 indy.

This is the game as created and intended to be. Danger can lurk behind every gate. Play the game.....or don't. But don't call for the fundamental character of the game to be changed. And some folks are just plain good at certain things like piloting their ships. Doesn't mean they are cheating.

You took a loss. Ok, so have many in this game. Sometimes it hurts. I know, a couple losses on my killboard due to my carelessness really hurt. Take a breath, rethink what you're doing and do it smarter. You can be a better player and the game can stay the same.

Seriously, some folks who wander in here seem like they would want the rules of chess to be changed because someone will capture their pieces. They just want to move pieces around a board and be left in peace.

What where you flying and what was the fit?

Quite frankly Falcon is out of touch with the normal players experience with EVE. He belonged to the 1% when he played EVE, and as a Dev the loudest voices he hears are the 1% still.
Doesn't invalidate some of his points, but he really has lost touch and some of his quotes aren't actually an appropriate answer.

I'm pretty sure we talked in-game and you had a very wrong fit.
EVE is a sandbox, everyone could do whatever they want ... sure CCP could deny dock / medical clone to hisec gankers having sec status lower than a value but that won't stop completely the gank at all, but will add some extra work / cost for gankers in order to fix their sec status (buying concord tags), therefore ... MORE ganks!

I do agree that CCP could do more in order to avoid hisec ganks like having concord on-grid for > 0.8 security systems in order to have an immediate action against gankers, but that wouldn't stop gankers either - they'll simply use more ships.


Anyway, there are solutions of course, but CCP won't do anything cause they're just don't care about the player-base - or maybe they will when the PLEX will hit 1.5-2.0 Billion ISK and they'll have less subscribers - ultil then ... stay away from JITA (alternatives: Dodixie, Amarr, Hek) fit your ship properly or just quit the game at all if it doesn't give you any satisfaction / fun at all. Playing should bring joy and satisfaction, if you mined several days for that cargo and you got blown up by a gate camp ... I'm sure that is far from any satisfaction for you ...

CCP won't give a dime, live with it.

Oddly

LOADS!!!

Firstly, the map will tell you if alot of ships have been lost in a system, can you also check Zkills for the same info, if you see a lot of kills pick another route.

Secondly. Don't be a scrub, invest in a second account as a scout.. if your RL budget doesn't extend to the that, use a trial account.

Third, Don't be a scrub, invest in a blockade runner

This is not correct. They do shoot and point you if you have bad security status. Faction police is just not as almighty as Concord is.
On top of that every player can shoot you without Concord intervention if your security status is too low.

Do they usually take the time to scan and evaluate the cargo? Sounds like the OP got almost insta-popped. How much tank would he have needed to counter two gank Vexors?

Odds are OP was not flying a blockade runner...as they are impervious to cargo scanners.