EVE General Discussion

Much as I dislike the prominent trashtalk and general attitude of the perpetrators, ganking is no more or less meaningful than any other activity. We don't gatecamp for profit either; no justification is required.

In a way, I do believe a good gank or a dec as soon as you drop out of Pator Tech is the best school a player can have. Do you have the mettle to make it in New Eden?

Once you hit rock bottom, it's literally impossible to find any lower hanging fruit- yet someone's gotta pick it, right? It's like whoring on suspects getting blapped off the Amarr undock, although in both cases it is important the player realises, by preference sooner than later, some ground rules:

- stupid gets punished.
- you too have guns-- you can beat them!
- items are expendable. Don't grind for purple for it will *not* persist after your inevitable demise.
- insurance has got you covered.

To new players this may be a shocker, but that shock has got to come at some point. Since they start off in highsec, a gank, dec, involuntarily turning suspect, getting concordokkened or accepting a mission to lowsec are likely causes. Truth be told, had said newbro jumped a wormhole and wound up in Curse, all chipper and chatty, he'd get the podexpress with our compliments too. Ain't not just a ganker thing, that.

Let's be honest here: what did a genuinly new player really lose? A ship he no doubt got for free from Aura, crappy T1 mods worth less than his uninsured ship...? Nah. What he lost is the illusion we were all going to get along-- and that's a good thing. If said player gets blown up time and time again, then he's simply not getting it or insisting on going AFK (yes, I've seen people die in their Venture to a rat and blame me because "I didn't protect them").

If a gank or a gatecamp or a wardec is enough to drive a player out of the game, that player wasn't going to stick around anyway. Training wheels got to come off some time, yes? Those that start keeping an eye out for suspicious activity to avoid making the same mistake again, read up on game mechanics, browse ISIS or EFT to find out how they died, those are going to swim some day.

This coming from one who's not exactly on good terms with CODE, mind you. If you fail to notice the flashing skulls in local and the warship heading your way....... what can I say? Some folks just aren't up for it, don't enjoy it, don't feel that urge to GitGud and someday pilot a warship of their own. That's why we have trial accounts: to try it out.

Some of those might give it a second look later on down the line, expecting 15 days of hell; find out it's not as bad as they remembered it; and stick around anyway.

Because they know the PvP players will come after them and the response will be one they do not want to deal with. NS PvP players will come with a doctrine fleet meaning adequate logistics, fleet boosters, tackle and DPS. They can use titans and bridges to move around faster (if they do not mind the fatigue). This is not something HS war dec corps want to deal with...if they did they'd already be in NS.

And you base this on what? CCP is very tight with the data, so I'm assuming you are basing on literally nothing.

Based on what? Where is your analysis or argument. You state this as if it were a fact hanging around out there in the air for everyone to see, but the reality is you are assuming something as true which is convenient for you argument. That is just bad reasoning.

So...is there anything you are good at?

Well, one used to be able to shoot CONCORD. I'd say that is a big one.

- Nerf to insurance to discourage HS ganking
- Buff to CONCORD to discourage HS ganking
- Safety settings to avoid accidental CONCORD death
- Removal of watch list to nerf stalking - I mean hunting
- Warp to ZERO (though that was because of server issues - maybe with new servers we can get rid of it again?)
- Suspect flagging
- Scanning simplification
- Extended skill queue
- No penalty for clone loss
- No standings required for jump clones
- Skill injectors

edit - They took away mines (another server issue - still have some can we get that back with new servers?)

I am not suggesting these area all negative changes, but they certainly allow one to play less alert and more casually than before.

Doc had not seen this before. Thank you.

The way CCP sampled some of their data is flawed (e.g.: only 15-day olds, should probably have been 30-60 days) but the results are nonetheless both validating and hilarious simultaneously.

I think they picked 15 day "olds" so that they got "new" players. I have no major issue with that analysis. [FYI, I do this kind of analysis as a part of my day job.]

BTW, one significant result that is often over looked in that analysis is that 15 day old characters are ganked at a rate of 1%. So this notion that "new players" are targeted for ganking is a load of Bravo Sierra.

A more comprehensive analysis would use a logit regression model where the dependent variable is quit (0) or not-quit (1) and then include variables such as number of ganks, number of war decs, NS corp/alliance, age (expressed in something like days or months), maybe even some dummies for various expansions, and so forth.

This way we could get an idea of which of these things have contributed to the likelihood a player would quit.

As a new player I'd have to say this game is fun. On days I want to mine I mine, on days I want to blow stuff up I blow stuff up and get blown up from time to time in doing so. Anyways I always wanted to play a game like this buy never knew it existed until I played dust 514 and even then I really didn't know what Eve was all about until dust died and I gave this a shot. I guess what I'm trying to say is that ccp needs to advertise the game better. There's many more like me out there that would play if they knew. As to holding onto current or past members, I'm just a noob and don't know the gripes well enough to comment on that. But I think if they advertised more widely then people would give it a shot as most humans are lemmings and will follow and go anywhere they think everyone else is heading. Anyways that's just my thoughts and ideas. Love the game and don't want it to die as I plan on being around for a long bit.

Ahahahahahahahaha....

You might want to have a word with CCP. And for God's sake do NOT spend more than a month's worth of subscription cost at this point.

You might want to have a word with CCP.