Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well as I said you underestimate the impact of cyno's. But going forward you people will be able to interdict local by blowing up the OS.

I am very aware how rolling WH's work and the delay in the new signature showing up, I go through WH's a lot. I have also closed WH's.

There you go again Kreskin....

Actually a new hole spawning and not knowing about it for a period of time is alot like a cyno. So this "there are no cynos" in w-space while literally true, there is something with a very similar effect.

And once again, there you are pretending to know the mind of other players. I'm pretty sure that Wander understands that a cyno is significant force multiplier.

And I'll also note that here we see a variation on the "one more nerf" view point. Cynos have already been nerfed via jump fatigue and reductions on jump ranges. But people are still bringing them up as the ultimate boogeyman.

I have little doubt that even with an AFK Flag we'd still Bad Players™ here whining about AFK camping...even when said campers are showing as "AFK".

Okay. Simple version:

Scan ship with no cloak takes x seconds.
Scan cloaked ship takes 10x seconds.

Numbers are arbitrary and for purposes of exposition and would need to be adjusted in the design process.

Further, if you read 100-150 pages, like Wander has, you'd know that we are likely to get the following:

Local is going to go away.
We'll get the Observatory Array which will let players claw back some aspects of local depending on how they fit it.
Probing down cloaked ships will be a thing.

The first is a good thing as it removes something that is free and flawless and require virtually no player effort.

The second is good in that it requires player effort and will involve trade offs which is quite in line with most other aspects of the game.

The third is good in that it puts and end to AFK cloak camping. You might have say a few minutes to go AFK if necessary, but if you anticipate being AFK longer...logoff. Probing will not work, I seriously hope, like it does for any other ship.

Now, the exact details are up in the air and depend on a host of factors.

As for ships that have a fast sub-warp speed one possible solution, I do not know if it is feasible from a programming aspect, is to have probing speed up unless the target warps. So by the 5th (as an example) probing attempt it is very fast and an interceptor(s) will have a damn good chance of landing right on top of that cloaked ship.

So to use some numbers for exposition....

Let x be the number of seconds to scan a non-cloaked ship.

1. First probing attempt 10*x seconds.
1a. Has the probing target warped, if yes go to 1, if no go to 2.
2. Probing takes 5*x seconds.
2a. Has the probing target warped, if yes go to 1, if no go to 3.
3. Probing takes 2.x seconds.
3a. Has the probing target warped, if yes go to 1, if no go to 4.
4. Probing takes x seconds.
4a. Has the probing target warped, if yes go to 1, if no go to 5.
5. Probing takes .2*x seconds.

Or just have the cloak drop on the 5th probe so that when somebody lands at the probed spot they can see the formerly cloaked ship motoring off in some direction and burn towards them. Since in this instance the player is either AFK or is baiting you...you can kill him or get a fight...either way a "win" in that you get to remove the annoying AFK player or do something fun and exciting.. Just some idea so that people cannot still find a way to AFK camp after these changes.

So long as you are at your keyboard, you have very little to worry about so long as you are rolling safe spots in a timely fashion.

I'm sorry, but what? You keep on assuming things all the time and making your own conclusions about things you read between the lines. Your own idea about a AFK-flag would only work because of, you guessed it, LOCAL. The only reason you are mad about someone sitting in your system is because of LOCAL. (seeing the trend here? no?) Still somehow we cannot talk about local? Oookay... I'm not here to defend an AFK-cloaker. I'm here as a fellow cloak-user stopping people from unncessarely nerfing a good module. Likewise, I'm going to call out a bad idea when I see one and your AFK-flag is one.

Do you know what happens when you assume something? You just make an ass out of yourself.

Often the process of working out a fix to something creates some other balance issue, your suggestion is of course something that would deal with AFK cloaking, however it does break cloaks which is something I wanted to avoid.

The biggest issue around this is casual play, people get called away, and often their only possibility is to cloak up. Another issue is of course moving Supers and Titans, the issue here is that this makes hunting them so easy it is silly. One could argue that such ships should be only feasible for an alliance that can support them with say a Keepstar, so in one way a good change.

I generally would not be affected by this because I tend to use T3C's which are cloaked and nullfied, so I would just burst through the gate camps and find a system to log off, however it really does make a lot of play require that people have a clear time to play without interruptions like a screaming baby, a burst pipe, a wife asking you to make a coffee etc., even going to the toilet is a risk if you sufer from the dreaded Klingon.

Because I have such an attitude against AFK lazy players I would accept that suggestion, but it has an impact in other areas which makes me doubt that CCP would ever do it.

Other ideas around this sort of approach was to have an OS that created some sort of wave that enabled cloaked ships to be probed down for a period of time, but it should also have penalties to balance off against its use. But one thing is certain, something has to be done to remove the AFK part.

I just think that you are a typical WH player fixated on Local without thinking through anything else apart from I am a leet WH player and local is for wimps. Get out of here, its pathetic...

The issue is AFK simple as that.

1) I repeat skill injectors, do you even think ?
2) So when hardly any of your corp mates are on and you have a connection to another major WH groups, do you continue to harvest sleepers or do you say hmmm, maybe not...
3) Yeah easy stuff, have you been carpet camped before, obviously not...
4) That is so obvious, I linked you a top Eve player who tried to drop me three times and failed, if I had warped to 0 and just sat there I would have died, baby steps mate.

You should try NPC 0.0...

1. Of course skill injectors have something to do with this, people can easily create characters with the ship skills needed and with no history. So they have no history and no kills, what then?

2. So risk averse then which seems to be something that you feel strongly about in null sec players

3. Time for the blob, how quaint... a blob for every TZ!

4. Not the whole story old bean, different content requires different strategies and tactics.

The sole issue for me is the AFK side of it, I want to hunt them and baiting is the only thing that works, but I do not want to waste my time baiting someone who is AFK, it is poor game content.

There is work, you still have to be around to see the flag hit and use intelligence to work it out. People can game it and its fine, its not 100% security.