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Immortal Merlin?

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Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-07-23 10:47:59 UTC
So, I was on yesterday evening and there's a bit of a drama in local chat, some smack talk floating about.

Turns out a guy who's char is less than 2 days old is floating around in a Merlin, throwing about duel requests and then destroying anyone who picks up the challenge..quite a few bad vibes floating around, accusations of hacking, apparently he's taking no damage and dealing far more than he should be.

So..point of this post is..what gives? is this a real thing? are there 'Hackers' (a term that was being well used yesterday) or is there a possibility that the guy was legitimate?


Cheers in advance. Smile

"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#2 - 2016-07-23 11:06:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
Some more info would be handy, like what system we're talking about here.

With the coming of Skill Injectors, character age no longer counts for squat as an indicator of a pilot's SP. So let's assume we're talking about a pilot with perfect skills for the Merlin, its supports, gunnery, engineering, navigation, shields, biology, cybernetics, etc. Let's further assume that this pilot is pretty cluey about frigate combat.

Who was he fighting? Genuine newbros? If so, they're toast.

We're probably talking about a Merlin using a high end set of the new shield-slave pirate implants (whatever they're called), throw in a Links alt in the system and possibly even some Improved Combat Boosters (which are now legal in hisec).

So no, I don't think you're looking at a 'hacker'. You're probably simply seeing someone flying multiple billions of ISK worth of Merlin+Implant+Links++++++ etc.

edit: if they're doing this in a newbro system, they're being a little lame IMHO. However, you still need to accept the duel.

Personally, I think you have a great target here for a potentially very profitable Suicide Gank. Get a couple of friends in dessies, have someone accept a duel with him in a brick-tanked Frigate, once he's scram/webbed, warp in the Catalysts and BLAMMO!

Have someone stay behind to smartbomb the pod.

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This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-07-23 11:12:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Yeah, the Merlin is a monster in the right hands (max. skills, drugs, links, implants). All legal, but deadly to newbies. If this was happening in a rookie/starter system, this is probably worth a petition. On the other hand it teaches some valuable lesson with still quite cheap losses I suppose. Better than losing an expensive ship to such a bait later and start whining in the forum Blink

I'm my own NPC alt.

Memphis Baas
#4 - 2016-07-23 11:13:00 UTC
There's always the possibility of bugs and exploits; we're not allowed to discuss them on the forums, and CCP has asked that if you believe there's a bug or exploit, create a ticket to report it, and they'll look at the extensive server logs and figure it out, then take action.

However, there are several recent features to the game that can provide an explanation:

1. Rich players can create an alt, spend several trillion ISK to use skill injectors, and get that alt to 100 million skillpoints (can fly most ships, use the best guns and the best gear, etc) within hours. From your point of view as a player, you won't be able to tell whether a new character is truly a newbie, or someone's alt, and what skills they have.

2. T2 weapons, T2 ammo, T2 shields/armor, overheating modules, high grade implants, boosters (drugs), and being in a fleet with someone who can provide fleet bonuses from an off-grid or cloaked command ship, all these taken together can multiply the performance of even a measly T1 frigate by 3x - 4x. The ships have been balanced this way so that the 10 year old veteran players find them useful and stay interested in the game.

3. "Station games" are possible - fighting near a station allows someone to abuse the game mechanics to dock up and repair at the slightest danger to their ship, while in combat. They would appear invulnerable.

4. Logistics ships allow remote repairs, and while the mechanics of a duel should also cause aggression on the repair ship, it's possible people miss it.
Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-07-23 11:13:16 UTC
Hi Sec, Caldari starting zone around one of the War academy's. I was only an observer to the riot, and ignored my own duel request.

Not all of the victims were spanky new, but yes the majority would be.

I know little about where to check for stats on kills/damage etc, but the ones shouting were convinced that the guy was not playing fair.

Obviously I am not going to name the guy (A russian player), I added him to my 'avoid' contacts list, but not sure if from there I could post or obtain any of his ship setup data.

I just wondered, as I was under the impression that actual Hacking did not happen in Eve.

Thanks for the reply. Big smile

"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#6 - 2016-07-23 11:13:26 UTC
actually, Coercers or Thrashers throwing EMP ammo would be better than Catalysts for this particular target.

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Swoop McFly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-07-23 11:16:41 UTC
Probably just an afterburner fit blaster Merlin engaging people that don't understand how tracking works.
Memphis Baas
#8 - 2016-07-23 11:20:04 UTC
Well, duel requests allow him to pick his targets; he can simply refuse to duel a ship that would kill him. Destroyers flown by high-skill characters, or cruisers fitted with anti-frigate weapons, would probably make a dent in that Merlin, even with all the hidden boosting and support.

Create a ticket if you want, though. It's not a bad idea for CCP to look into it. Any game can have exploits or bugs.
Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-07-23 11:40:45 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Well, duel requests allow him to pick his targets; he can simply refuse to duel a ship that would kill him. Destroyers flown by high-skill characters, or cruisers fitted with anti-frigate weapons, would probably make a dent in that Merlin, even with all the hidden boosting and support.

Create a ticket if you want, though. It's not a bad idea for CCP to look into it. Any game can have exploits or bugs.



I think a ticket or two were already sent in, aside from some smack talk when I declined his duel offer he didn't do anything to me, so it'd not be fair to report him. I also did not witness any of the 'deaths' at his hands, just the aftermath in Local

"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

Ramses Davaham
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2016-07-23 12:13:49 UTC
Hael Morgan wrote:
So, I was on yesterday evening and there's a bit of a drama in local chat, some smack talk floating about.

Turns out a guy who's char is less than 2 days old is floating around in a Merlin, throwing about duel requests and then destroying anyone who picks up the challenge..quite a few bad vibes floating around, accusations of hacking, apparently he's taking no damage and dealing far more than he should be.

So..point of this post is..what gives? is this a real thing? are there 'Hackers' (a term that was being well used yesterday) or is there a possibility that the guy was legitimate?


Cheers in advance. Smile


Link the system and what day it happened...it would help.

Any tech 1 ship can be deadly in the right hands...2 day old or not...skill injectors (damned infernal evil tool they are) likely are to blame for the surge in prowess.
Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-07-23 12:27:26 UTC
Yesterday, couple of jumps from my newbie corp location..I was doing the career agent missions at another war academy...this all happened outside the station. Sorry I can't be more specific, but like I said, I was not directly involved with the fracas, just a casual observer. Big smile

"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2016-07-23 12:33:59 UTC
Hael Morgan wrote:

Obviously I am not going to name the guy

why not?

because one of us might go down and murder the guy? seems that would be a solution imho
Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-07-23 12:46:45 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Hael Morgan wrote:

Obviously I am not going to name the guy

why not?

because one of us might go down and murder the guy? seems that would be a solution imho



Lol..because I thought forum rules were that I couldn't. What?

"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2016-07-23 12:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
[Merlin, Abrafo's Merlin]
Civilian Damage Control
Overdrive Injector System I
Reactor Control Unit I

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Medium Shield Extender I
Warp Scrambler I

Light Electron Blaster I,Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster I,Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster I,Antimatter Charge S

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I

definitely not immortal
probably links, drugs and implants.

Uitra VI - Moon 4 - State War Academy, 0600 - 1800 ish , no gurantee he will stick to that for the weekend though,
for any one interested , im busy today but i might see if i can carch him later tonight if no one else has
Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-07-23 13:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hael Morgan
How and where did you get all that info? lol Shocked

I am soooo new.


The guy was allegedly taking no damage at all, against ships that apparently packed a much bigger punch, but like I said, I was not there 'live' I only flew through the wreckage so to speak. Smile


There's a bounty on him I think, the 'aggrieved' put one on him. He logged off when they advised him that they were reporting him, after he dropped a shed load of Russian into the chat box.

"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-07-23 13:07:39 UTC
This can actually be reportable and he can be banned as Uitra is a system where using a new player's lack of knowledge to your advantage is a bannable offence.

Duelling I'm not 100% sure falls under this category but I would expect it would since the "duelling" concept from other games means you do not actually die.

I think the duel pop-up may allude to this fact, but I still think it's a scumbag thing to do.
Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-07-23 13:10:08 UTC

He was also making himself a viable target and fishing for attacks..I saw him flying about the station and a couple of times he was 'Yellow'...like I went once after mistakenly taking something I shouldn't have...yes...I got fragged. Sad

"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2016-07-23 13:14:20 UTC
Hael Morgan wrote:
How and where did you get all that info? lol Shocked

I am soooo new.


The guy was allegedly taking no damage at all, against ships that apparently packed a much bigger punch, but like I said, I was not there 'live' I only flew through the wreckage so to speak. Smile


There's a bounty on him I think, the 'aggrieved' put one on him. He logged off when they advised him that they were reporting him, after he dropped a shed load of Russian into the chat box.

i hunt people , its pretty much all i do in eve bar shiptoast on the forums Blink
all i need is a name to go on and im good.

yeah that's just rookies knowing no better.
looks like hes sig/speed tanking most/all of the damage the newbros are throwing at him.
the gm's will tell him to move his show out of the rookie systems
where he will find it much harder to do this.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-07-23 13:17:14 UTC
Suspect baiting is definitely not allowed in that system.

He's just exploiting new players, no mystery here just report and move on.
Hael Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-07-23 13:25:49 UTC
Still want to know how Ralph got all that info! What?

"My Flag boy and your Flag boy, sitting by the fire...I flew by and winked my eye and set them both on fire!"

Gloriously Unrepentant

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