EVE General Discussion

In answer to the threads Question


= because of Code like behaviour.


An Eve life unexamined is not worth living.

One would think they would come up with more variation to spawn and loot in rooms or procedural mission system in general.
The Lore is one of the shinier things here.

But I think that EVE 2.0 would be dead on arrival as everyone with closing of EVE will completely lack interest for further playing, so much is attached to this world. If they would keep EVE, everyone would stay here.

But they are developing other games in EVE universe.

Confirming this is the *only* issue with EVE.

No other problems exist.

Ever.

Everyone move along...

Game need major update / reboot for numbers to start kicking in again at a healthy levels for everybody.

Engine update to support post year 2000 cpu's........... this will never happen.

Massive update to ALL things pve not just one part entire new engine that is not so 2003 World of Warcraft but in space.......this will never happen and is overdue almost for like decades now.

Procedural generated space /new space........ current mice in a maze gated space is just to archaic and forced mechanic it works tho...but.

I remember devs saying this is both pve and pvp game until they stop saying this in favor of pvp(with pve as necessary evil) agenda and that is fine and dandy as long as you don't need pve players....i beg to differ.
Attitudes need to be changed.

This game was pumping lore out on almost weekly basis ppl were creating stories opening up web pages...eve fiction now is a sad forum sub post....things that happens when game turn it back to users for others there is no smart reason for this.

Or not and i am just looking things thru my very own summer / retro version by brand "past times" rose glasses and everything is fine.....

which than begs the question ....

Where are the people?

Soon il start chasing my alt thru new eden pretending i don't know him where are the hordes of players that find game amazing coz i remember this game where systems were not deserted.

Why is CCP withholding opening high sec up for grabs? it is only thing stopping all of yal having brilliant time and devs chocking in limos lambos and hookers.just do it.

No? not that? what ships are not balanced enough?is it current null magic wand thingy? reverse it back to dominion then until beatching starts AGAIN then roll it back to entosis right?small doses everything goes.

Whats with Lo sec bombs you want bombs will that fixit hm?doomsdays?stations are problem?what?hi sec?ccp what are you waiting for?

No?

Or put your shiet together and see where are you now and were were you see big picture and who play your game...act accordingly.

Toss in plex,butthurt,world economy and other crap like calling your users idiots that needed to be deprived their money(here a monocle that cost like all pirate battleships all with fittings.....no no you are not an idiot you are classy) and voila.

imo

meh just meh these threads.

Perhaps I'm over-reacting to the fact that every 3-4 posts in this thread (and that is a lot of posts, even just in this 1 thread) the post begins with something along the lines of:

"The Problem with EVE is..."
"The Primary Problem is..."
"The Main Problem is..."
etc...

And acting like if just that 1 problem was solved things would magically be better.



If that was not your intention then I apologize - but as previously stated there are many thousands of major problems with EVE atm, so pointing to any 1 of them as "the problem" for anything is ridiculous.

On the other hand there is a thing about CCP that make them nearly scream "my way or highway" with features like ship skins.
When bug with ship skins on every hull was called a feature, it was acknowledged by them and never really spoken again about. Meanwhile I had discussions in game about how CCP has failed to deliver something the way they wanted. And the buggy way being the way it should have been from player perspective.

This is a very debatable point. For me and a lot of other players who've been in game for long time, the fundamental philosophy of EVE is that PVP/risk should never be an 'option' - where you can say 'I don't want it' and avoid it.

'Choosing' to pvp only when you want to do it makes the whole game world change. It breaks the foundation of what EVE is and has always been - that we are living in a cold/harsh universe.

With watchlist changes came the mass of blanket war dec everywhere, but you know what? For those who are decced but don't want to fight, it's actually 'easier' to avoid the war deccers. They don't even know you are online - you can do what you want in quiet system and avoid certain routes and hubs, and you can even do mining ops and missions or whatever.

But you can't do this AFK or ever be in a 'safe haven'. You will have to watch local, be suspicious of NPC corp pilots around you as they may be scout alts of war deccers, that NPC Corp Machariel off station where you mission could be a bumping Machariel instead of a mission runner, you have to have D-Scan on and watch out for what's coming. You will have to monitor the people who's in local (FFS having local makes life already pretty easy & safe to avoid war targets, compared to WH life).

There are so many tools availble in game to help you do what you want while avoiding unwanted PVP (either through war dec or suicide ganks or whatever) in HS. I said this in some other thread before - people do LOTS of PVE in null and WH (mind you, in WH you don't even get local), yet people in HS complain they can't do what they want because of war dec - where war deccers are highly visible on local and generally hang out in well known hubs and routes and now can't even tell whether you are online or not?

I'm not saying everyone should embrace PVP - you can play the whole game without ever shooting at another player and still have great time. But for me, EVE has always been a cold harsh world and that DEFINES the game as it is. It forces you to be paranoid and be aware of your surroundings, and use all tools available to survive and persist.

You take that philosophy away from the game by making PVP 'optional' or make a completely 'safe haven' where people can be safe without needing to think/be aware of what's happening around them - that is not EVE anymore.

I'm not saying that will be a terrible game or whatever - there may be market for it and some players may like that., but that just isn't EVE.

I'm hoping the end of DX9 support will finally let them give us something like the custom skinning interface they showed during the Art Panel back in 2014.

If you think about it, they could use a Layer system that allows players to make complex designs but at the cost of increasing how much AURUM it will take to produce the license at the end of the process. That way you could do a simple two-tone paint job for fairly cheap, or you could make your ship look completely unique if you have more cash to throw at it.

That is a possibility, but then same restrictions as NPC corps should apply. No corp bookmark, no corp hangar/wallet division, no private offices, same TAX as thr NPC corps, can't anchor POS or Citadel, etc. If all conditions are same, and there is absolutely no benefit over being in undeccable NPC corp, I can accept such undeccable player corps. If there is going to be ANY benefit whatsoever to be in such a player corp that a NPC corp doesn't have, then it should come with risk/drawbacks.

Nana, I see what you mean and it does make sense in terms of retaining/growing player base. It is a sensible suggestion to make it easier for new players to learn and adapt at their own pace and commitment.

But I'm not sure about how it would benefit the game in fundamental ways.

What would having 10,000 more players logged on in HS that you cannot shoot do to the game? More uninterupted supply of minerals? More uninterupted ISK faucet with uber bling fit mission ships? Or would the market increase balance such things out?

If we cannot shoot them, or disturb their operation in such 'safe haven', how does that place and community integrate with EVE universe and the existing player base?

I can see it working to increse the player base overall, but just not sure how that would help the game if they are so secluded from the core element of risk & danger in this game.

If such path were to be considered, one wild idea I can imagine is introducing non-pod pilot citezens/characters into the game - e.g. 'Civilians' that are actually protected by Concord and have different career path and game play than being combat pilots.

I would love that new dimension actually, but as things stand, unless such significant changes are made, people who fly space ships in EVE should be able to get shot :p