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Covert Ops PWG
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Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
Salty..
#1 - 2016-07-21 17:05:11 UTC
Each of the covert ops desperately needs like 2-3 more powergrid. Take a Buzzard - If I fit a probe launcher, cloak, compact mwd, and 4 scanning upgrades, I'm exactly..... 1.25 pg over, one pg with PWG V. I mean come on, making me use a fitting mod to use a compact mwd and 6 mods which require 1 pg each is a bit unreasonable. This holds true for most of the covops. CCP, please add just a couple power grid to each covert ops.
afk phone
Repo Industries
#2 - 2016-07-21 17:07:49 UTC
Blinky Jimmy wrote:
Each of the covert ops desperately needs like 2-3 more powergrid. Take a Buzzard - If I fit a probe launcher, cloak, compact mwd, and 4 scanning upgrades, I'm exactly..... 1.25 pg over, one pg with PWG V. I mean come on, making me use a fitting mod to use a compact mwd and 6 mods which require 1 pg each is a bit unreasonable. This holds true for most of the covops. CCP, please add just a couple power grid to each covert ops.



ALWAYS have a +3 power grid hard wire in your head. (Keep a stack of them and whatever else your standard brain load out is in the station you go to after that bright flash of light)
Darkwing Fiftytwo
Hookers N' Blow
#3 - 2016-07-21 17:10:54 UTC
The +2%'s are like 5mm dont be poor.
Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
Salty..
#4 - 2016-07-21 17:25:26 UTC
It's not about being poor. B/c of the low base pwg a percentage based implant isn't enough. http://prntscr.com/bvrwr1
You need genos AND a hardwiring for that.
Valkin Mordirc
#5 - 2016-07-21 17:32:32 UTC
Then drop a Istab for a fitting mod?


It's like your bitching that certain fits needing fitting mods is poorly balanced.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#6 - 2016-07-21 17:33:34 UTC
And if you use a powerdiagnostic II and a nano instead?

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Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
Salty..
#7 - 2016-07-21 17:38:29 UTC
Again.... my entire point is that it is unreasonable to require a fitting mod for the most basic of fits. Read the OP fully pls.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2016-07-21 17:43:27 UTC
Why is it unreasonable?
Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
Salty..
#9 - 2016-07-21 17:49:53 UTC
The idea of restricted fitting is to institute balance. So, you can't just fit a 1600 plate and a 100mn ab to a frigate. Being able to fit a compact mwd, a full of rack of scanning upgrades, a cloak, and a probe launcher is hardly game breaking or unbalanced.
Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2016-07-21 19:57:53 UTC
Yeah...

Still not seeing where it's unreasonable.
Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
Salty..
#11 - 2016-07-22 00:09:45 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Yeah...

Still not seeing where it's unreasonable.

Consider a pair of advanced goggles, like mine.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2016-07-22 00:23:54 UTC
I dont see this as an issue. There are a few ways to get the grid you need and if you need it that bad you'll make the compromise.

Also worth noting, not EVERY slot needs to be filled for a ship to do a job, and there are low slots that dont take up grid.

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#13 - 2016-07-22 00:45:04 UTC
I don't like how bombers are always skewed on fittings but at the same time it makes fitting them a challenge, there are certain types of ships in this game that you can basically only fit in one way and that kind of meta gets boring. I have a ton of fits for bombers, and don't really think they need buffs.

Blops on the other hand...

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Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
Salty..
#14 - 2016-07-22 04:36:29 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
I don't like how bombers are always skewed on fittings but at the same time it makes fitting them a challenge, there are certain types of ships in this game that you can basically only fit in one way and that kind of meta gets boring. I have a ton of fits for bombers, and don't really think they need buffs.

Blops on the other hand...

I'm speaking only about covops scan frigs.
Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
Salty..
#15 - 2016-07-22 04:37:27 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
I dont see this as an issue. There are a few ways to get the grid you need and if you need it that bad you'll make the compromise.

Also worth noting, not EVERY slot needs to be filled for a ship to do a job, and there are low slots that dont take up grid.

This is with low slots using 0 pg mods. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to have the pg to fit all slots with very low pg mods.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#16 - 2016-07-22 05:40:09 UTC
If you need a prop mod, you can use an afterburner instead. Those propel you too.

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Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
Salty..
#17 - 2016-07-22 06:27:14 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
If you need a prop mod, you can use an afterburner instead. Those propel you too.

Sure they propel you, but not nearly as quickly and much less usefully most of the time imo. I challenge you to find any other frigate class of any other tech level that cannot fit a compact 5m mwd and a full rack of modules requiring one pg without fitting mods, then explain to me why this class should (generally) be unable too.
afk phone
Repo Industries
#18 - 2016-07-22 12:17:30 UTC
You fit is garbage anyway. Where's the point? How do you expect to kill anyone without a point? (just kidding..... kind of)

I'm pretty sure most of the folks responding here understand exactly what you are saying. They are disagreeing with your point of view. That doesn't make them wrong.

I've been flying cov ops in wh for years. I'm comfortable with it be how it is and adapt fits to various needs. Part of the engaging and interesting part of eve is that you have a lot of fitting choices for every ship in the game. These choices have pros and cons. If all ships could be easily fit for all purposes...... BORING!!

You decided you need a MWD. That's fine. The penalty for that great speed is reduced cap and the fitting costs. If you go AB, you'll free up a lot (frigate scale) of grid for other stuff. If you go no prop mod you'll be crazy slow, BUT awash in luxurious amounts of power grid.

I think you know all this and are just trying to put one over on CCP and this forum.
afk phone
Repo Industries
#19 - 2016-07-22 12:20:45 UTC
Blinky Jimmy wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
If you need a prop mod, you can use an afterburner instead. Those propel you too.

Sure they propel you, but not nearly as quickly and much less usefully most of the time imo. I challenge you to find any other frigate class of any other tech level that cannot fit a compact 5m mwd and a full rack of modules requiring one pg without fitting mods, then explain to me why this class should (generally) be unable too.



It's your thread, I challenge you to convince me that a cov ops frig whose ROLE is stealth and primary asset is to warp cloaked needs a mwd.


I don't think it needs one. If you want one, then give up a slot for a fitting mod or an implant that allows you to do what you want.
Xaros IX
Doomheim
#20 - 2016-07-22 12:57:11 UTC
Helios is the only covops that sports 1 drone. No other covert frig gets that. No complaints. Caldari ships are notorious for their fitting issues. Anathema and cheetah dont get the meds like the buzzard, and helios has only 2 highslots. These are tradeoffs.

Skill for another covops frigate if buzzard doesnt suit you.
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