Ships & Modules

You said exploring but you don't even have a data or relic analyzer on? And how is it possible that you fly a super advanced boat with all t2 mods in 5 months?

yes tengu is much better

As I mentioned in my OP, this is my combat exploration fit (to complete combat sites). I just carry around the analyzers I need and refit at a mobile depot/station. Also, my alt is the one flying the ship, I just forgot to switch characters for forum posting.

Aside from that, do you have any feedback on how to improve the damage capacity of this ship?

Thank you!



Good call on the implants and the faction-specific loadout. I appreciate it. I will also look into switching into a six turret build. Will give it a shot. I think I loaded up on too much tank and I can sacrifice a little of it for damage output.



Oooh thank you! This is a similar build mentioned by Coralas.

blinged out a bit from the osium posted - 810dps

https://o.smium.org/new/8116875611139473408

tengu would still do it better

Most people here (and on reddit too) are too quick to dismiss other t3 cruisers as inferior compared to Tengu. In nullsec, doing sites which require lots of tank, I also agree Tengu is the king. You can find blingy fits with X-type X-large shield boosters and other shenanigans which handle what other T3s wouldn't. But you aren't looking for that kind of ship.

Let's look at the Tengu equivalent of the Loki fit I posted earlier: https://o.smium.org/new/7597925892563664896
It has slightly better tank (and there is still one midslot to increase the tank further), slightly more dps and slightly better range. It also costs more, doesn't have probe launcher (if it had, the new slot layout would make it quite ineffective) and has trouble dispatching frigates. Moreover, when flying Loki, if you switch to Hail you'll actually get more dps than that Tengu.

A few months ago I was in similar situation as you, looking for the best vessel to clear C3 anomalies. Trained into Tengu cause everyone said it's the best ship. Then I discovered that between 10 second charges switching and poor application against frigates, Legion does the same job in the same time (even if it's worse on paper) while not being reliant on restocking missiles every 10 sites. Now I'm flying this ~shameless self promotion~ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6478096 and couldn't be more satisfied.

To sum it up, your favourite T3 cruiser is perfectly viable for the job.

I get what people are saying about the Tengu being clearly superior -- it is in this case. But it's not the only viable option.

The problem here is that the Loki really isn't a viable option, at least not in my book. Forget raw damage -- it's low, but it's not horrifyingly low. Look at projeciton. 1.5+25? There's no way in hell you want to be within 20km of your targets running low sec exploraiton sites, and it's no wonder you struggled in a 5/10. The web towers and the overseer are both outside optimal+falloff.

Don't feel obligated to use a Tengu; I very much like a beam Legion and there's nothing inherently wrong with a rail Proteus either. But neither medium ACs nor artillery really cut it in exploration

Zhilia hit the nail on the head. Tengu is just superior because of the damage PROJECTION.

Yes you can get your paper dps on other T3s close to the Tengu but can you get it close to it's range? Nope.

Tengu is mostly great for its missile range, that you can shoot those neut/web towers while being tripple+ webbed you can't close in on range. Regen fit Tengu can also do respectable damage at the same long range while having insane tank + cap regen good enough to withstand sleeper BS neuts or even a max skilled Curse.

If you are against Guristas/Serpentis though, then Ishtar/Drone Proteus can get excellent tank due to its resist profile and can avoid the range issues by using drones as primary damage source, and comes with the benefit of not having to restock ammo all the time. Gila is also a good ship for similar benefits of drones, and you can fit rapid lights to quickly dispatch webbing/scrambling frigs.

Loki I personally haven't used much for PVE. It has benefit of refittable cloak/nullifier sub for travels, but for the actual PVE content Mach can do just as well or better, and they are really cheap these days.