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Maekchu
Doomheim
#41 - 2016-07-21 12:24:21 UTC
I bought a 250M PvP ship once and it died in a horrible fire, before me breaking even on my valuable investment. If I remember correct, I may have looted around 30M in loot and it took ages to find something to kill.

Laughable ROI and I would not recommend anyone to ever buy one of these. Obviously there is something horribly wrong with how the system works, and CCP must lower the building costs of all PvP ships immediately.

What is the purpose of such expensive PvP ships, if I can't even make back their initial investment. CCP FIX PLZ!
Memphis Baas
#42 - 2016-07-21 12:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
You don't PvP to make money is my point...


You don't mine to make money has been our point this whole thread.

Think about it. Literally anything else will make more money per hour than mining in high sec. So why would you mine in high sec? With an expensive ship, too.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#43 - 2016-07-21 12:24:54 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
So exactly how many hours does it take to break even on a 250 million ISK PVP ship, from PVP'ing with it?

You don't PvP to make money is my point...

*You* don't PvP to make money you mean. Some of us do.

For me, as a solo war-deccer....I can probably make 250 million back in a week or so if I find a good target and hunt them actively all week - though finding one who will try to take their pos tower down so I can steal it is a better bet for reliable income.

For the large hub-campers who use blanket decs - probably 1-2 days of sitting on the gate. That is why they do what they do after all - it is a reliable supply of kills and income.



Before I turned a profit in PvP, 250 mil would have taken me about 5 hours of Level 4 missioning to make - because I run them lazily. The money still has to be earned, even if you can't earn it in the ship you are spending it on.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2016-07-21 12:26:44 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
You don't mine to make money has been our point this whole thread.

Think about it.

Literally anything else will make more money per hour than mining in high sec. So why would you mine in high sec? With an expensive ship, too.

I don't mine in high sec... Haven't in a while.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#45 - 2016-07-21 12:32:04 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
You don't mine to make money has been our point this whole thread.

Think about it.

Literally anything else will make more money per hour than mining in high sec. So why would you mine in high sec? With an expensive ship, too.

I don't mine in high sec... Haven't in a while.

Then you should have no issue making 250 million isk.



Also - why does the fact that you are in a profession where your stated goal is to make money mean your ships should be *cheaper* than those who supposedly don't make any money? Shouldn't that be the other way around? Shouldn't the PvP ships be significantly cheaper, since the pilots won't earn any money with them - and you miners should pay *even more* than you do now because *you* are the lucky ones making money to pay for them...



I really don't think you have thought this out at all.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#46 - 2016-07-21 12:35:43 UTC
If it's not worth to use it, don't use it. Why does it bother you that there's something better out there?
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2016-07-21 12:41:29 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
If it's not worth to use it, don't use it. Why does it bother you that there's something better out there?

Because what is better should not be better.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#48 - 2016-07-21 12:45:53 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
So exactly how many hours does it take to break even on a 250 million ISK PVP ship, from PVP'ing with it?

You don't PvP to make money is my point...


tell that to Miniluv, who make (made?) squillions of ISK ganking freighters in hisec.

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Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2016-07-21 12:47:04 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
So exactly how many hours does it take to break even on a 250 million ISK PVP ship, from PVP'ing with it?

You don't PvP to make money is my point...


tell that to Miniluv, who make (made?) squillions of ISK ganking freighters in hisec.

Don't even get me started about high sec ganking....
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#50 - 2016-07-21 12:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
If it's not worth to use it, don't use it. Why does it bother you that there's something better out there?

Because what is better should not be better.

Care to explain tha statement for us?

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#51 - 2016-07-21 12:55:50 UTC
Hey, My Ishtar costs 3.3 times more than my Vexor Navy Issue. My VNI does about 650 dps with drones.

Using Brigadine Ferathine "logic" my Ishtar should be doing at least 2145 DPS!!! Make it happen CCP.
Nitshe Razvedka
#52 - 2016-07-21 12:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle


A few beans and some observations made in a back-water economy does not make a universal principal. The USA economy makes your %'s look base.

Typical Code methodology cherry picking for answers.



Try reading more than the first four lines.
The Pareto principle is an illustration of a "power law" relationship, which also occurs in phenomena such as brush fires and earthquakes. Because it is self-similar over a wide range of magnitudes, it produces outcomes completely different from Gaussian distribution phenomena. This fact explains the frequent breakdowns of sophisticated financial instruments, which are modeled on the assumption that a Gaussian relationship is appropriate to, for example, stock price movements.





The London School of Economics has debunked the Parento Principal, but I am sure it is being taught at lessor institutions.

You seem well read Chopper so I link this reference.

I am still learning to this day, If gave a Quantitative Research supervisor a 20:80 "template" to argue a point with no figures or analysis he would have a hissy fit. I am more insouciant.

Hope you enjoy the read.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#53 - 2016-07-21 12:57:53 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
What a surprise that reply confused you. Roll


Funny how that works, double funny how that works with every player who has a problem with something and thinks it's the game's fault rather than their own ignorance.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2016-07-21 13:03:41 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
If it's not worth to use it, don't use it. Why does it bother you that there's something better out there?

Because what is better should not be better.


Never have I ever seen more meaningless words spoken on these forums.

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#55 - 2016-07-21 13:07:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Hey, My Ishtar costs 3.3 times more than my Vexor Navy Issue. My VNI does about 650 dps with drones.

Using Brigadine Ferathine "logic" my Ishtar should be doing at least 2145 DPS!!! Make it happen CCP.

To be fair - they did already make that happen when they had that drone glitch that stacked the bonuses if you switched ships...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Memphis Baas
#56 - 2016-07-21 13:20:31 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

Because what is better should not be better.

Care to explain tha statement for us?


He's realized that his posts were stupid and feels the need to leave this thread, but needs to have the last word, so he's limiting his replies to nonsense one-liners.

This thread is pretty much done. Only things that can happen now are either a flame war of one-liners, or going off-topic on a million tangents.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#57 - 2016-07-21 13:20:35 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Don't even get me started about high sec ganking....


It's PvP, it can be very profitable.
Your argument is invalid.

Personally, I've found that hunting 0.0 ratters can be far more profitable than simply ratting.

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Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2016-07-21 13:23:04 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Don't even get me started about high sec ganking....


It's PvP, it can be very profitable.
Your argument is invalid.

Personally, I've found that hunting 0.0 ratters can be far more profitable than simply ratting.

Hunting ratters is not pvp lol. Its player versus defenseless player (PvDP)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#59 - 2016-07-21 13:25:29 UTC
Still players mate.
Still have to explain that line above too.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#60 - 2016-07-21 13:27:02 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Don't even get me started about high sec ganking....


It's PvP, it can be very profitable.
Your argument is invalid.

Personally, I've found that hunting 0.0 ratters can be far more profitable than simply ratting.

Hunting ratters is not pvp lol. Its player versus defenseless player (PvDP)

Omg, not this ******* discussion again... -.-

PvDP is not something that exists. PvE and PvP are terms, created for games describing actions between specific entities. Since ganking involves only player character on player character conflict, it is PvP.

Also, you didn't explain your nonsense statement Because what is better should not be better.