EVE General Discussion

The price is high because of the cost of making them. They are NOT worth the cost. There really isn't much about them that makes them worth being 10 times more expensive than t1. No this isn't a rant but I feel like their effectiveness needs to be increased or the material cost needs to be decreased. IDC which, but they aren't good the way they are. Their price is very close to the manufacturing cost.... that says it all.

What a surprise that reply confused you.

Looking at your long list of losses it seems you don't really understand EVE at all, it's therefore not surprising you don't seem to understand this either.

Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" and "what to REALLY not do 101", it showcases a distinct lack of understanding which is perpetuated here, really. The fact that you haven't lost one yet doesn't somehow validate your... logic and of top of that if you "don't care", as you put it, why care about Exhumers?

Exhumers are fine, as always the last few percent of performance costs the most. This is the case in real life, in many aspects of EVE and as it turns out also with Exhumers. Who knew.

The economic principle that drives the price of the T2 barges was linked for you. If your response to that is "uh?" it is blatantly obvious you are not capable of such a discussion.

The pricing of the T2 barges is right at their manufacturing cost. it is not that complicated.

I have to agree with the OP.

Due to the changes CCP did to Industry there's basically not much profit in doing production in this game.

I've spent the past month clearing out loot stashed in well over 300 stations in 21 regions that was gained from doing years of exploration and missions. After comparing sell price to reprocess price and going with the highest one, I thought I had amassed a sizable amount of Minerals to build a Bowhead Transport ship. After researching I realized I only had 1/5th of the Minerals required to build the Materials needed to build the Bowhead.

Since I had already purchased a Bowhead BPC package, I definitely wasn't going to spend the rest of the year mining Ore just to build the ship. I ended up buying the rest of the Minerals from the Market. After adding in the cost of production and the BPC package, the total amount I spent comes to 1.1 bill ISK.

The average Market price for the Bowhead is 1.5 bill ISK. Definitely not much profit to be made there and I didn't even include the time I spent doing it..

So yeah, I agree with the OP, the amount of Minerals required to build the Materials is too much. Also the amount of Materials required to build the hull is too much.

Seriously, I know this game is a time sink but this is just ridiculous.


DMC

You have to say that anyone who mines in this game is a goddam hero...

I had a look at manufacturing and got to invention and it annoyed the hell out of me, so I decided not to bother. hmmmmm I think another break from Eve is o the cards...

Alright, I'm taking one for the team lest this thread get out of hand.

You see, the ISK cost / productivity ratio of most ships and equipment here in EVE is exponential, not linear. It means that with every upgrade you make to your ship you get diminishing results (the marginal cost of upgrates gets higher and higher).

For instance, the staple equipment of the New Order of Highsec is the miner ganking Catalyst, which has two primary fits: T1 and T2. T1 has 400 DPS and costs 2 million ISK. T2 dishes out 750 DPS and costs 10 million ISK. We can conclude that the upgrade is 5 times more expensive, but gives less than 2 time the damage. Now, if our ganking fleets had enough manpower, we all would be using T1 fits, because T1 is clearly the king of cost efficiency. However, good numbers aren't always available, so the gankers have to fit better ships - and go for higher costs - to achieve their goal (read: a ganked miner).

It doesn't apply to ganking only, this principle is universal: quantity versus quality, productivity versus cost efficiency. It gives us, the players, meaningful choices in our game experience. For a fleet commander, it's the choice between swarms of cheap expendable ships or expensive doctrines with better dakka. A miner will choose between mining yield and the assets he will risk losing to PvPers who are preying on them.

Now, the fact that the sell prices of T2 barges aren't far off from their production cost simply means that this particular market is overcrowded. More barges are being produed and sold than there are barges getting blown up, supply is higher than demand. For the manufacturer it leads to the necessity to switch to a different item to produce or to move to a different location to sell what he's got.